Catholic University To Teach Students How To Promote, Protect Obamacare-Covered Abortions

by College Fix Staff on October 28, 2013

A Washington D.C.-based private Catholic university is slated to offer a class next semester that is expected to teach students how to promote and protect abortion coverage provided under the Affordable Care Act.

The course, “Regulatory Advocacy: Women and the Affordable Care Act,” is set to be taught at Georgetown Law, and it has upset staunch Catholics, according to The Cardinal Newman Society, which first reported on the new academic offering.

“We have long warned about Georgetown scandals that undermine the Church’s strong defense of innocent life,” Patrick Reilly, society president, told Catholic Education Daily. “But here students are being required to work for a pro-abortion lobby, making America’s oldest Catholic university an active agent of the culture of death.”

The course will hone in on “regulatory advocacy as it pertains to the implementation of the Affordable Care Act and women’s health,” and calls on students to work with the National Women’s Law Center “to develop projects that will assist in the organization’s regulatory advocacy efforts.” The law center publicly supports Obamacare and its mandate requiring religious institutions provide insurance coverage for abortions and other birth control.

The class will be taught by Professor Kelli Garcia, senior counsel at the National Women’s Law Center. She oversees its efforts to “address religious restrictions on women’s access to reproductive health services,” according to her online Georgetown profile.

Catholic Education Daily, in reporting on this issue, points out Garcia has written a love poem in honor of Planned Parenthood, supports the abortion mandate, and has proclaimed that institutions that refuse to provide contraceptive coverage are simply using their religion to discriminate against women.

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  • Hawkeye52

    So Sandra Fluke is now chancellor? Pathetic.

  • dixhandley

    Are they aborting children in the worst communities like Detroit and Chicago? If so, the democrats are losing a lot of potential new voters. Of course, when you jimmy with voting machines and import more illegal aliens I guess they have all of the illegal votes they need!

    • 69Chiwowwa

      They ain’t losing George Soros or control of the Diebold voting machines though :(.

      • dixhandley

        Liberal democratic zombies will always own the voting machines because idiot Rino’s will never do anything about it. Don’t forget McCain and Graham are in the democrats pockets!

        • Living in 1984

          Let’s not forget the Honorable Mitch McConnell.

          • dixhandley

            You’re correct. He’s horrible. I almost wish Ashley Judd did run against him. Kentuckians deserve worse than McConnell for voting him in.

      • GRITSMama

        Precisely!

    • TrampDorena

      that’s why they want 30 million socialist parasites from third world crap heaps to be their new voting bloc. 92%of illegal aliens in the US self identify as Democrats.

      • dixhandley

        I know. Perhaps it will end up even more than 92%. The Reagan days are over for America. How sad.

        • DeJuanathon

          A guy who goes by “Dix” commenting on a chick who goes by “Tramp”. I think that pretty well sums it all up.

      • DeJuanathon

        You’re simply ignorant and the reason why we’ll never win a major office again in my lifetime. Open your eyes and get a clue about immigration. It’s clear why you go by “Tramp”.

    • DeJuanathon

      You were ok until you had to throw in the “illegals” BS. Good luck winning any elections without the Hispanic vote. Read the history of immigration and open your eyes.

  • None

    This is not a matter of upsetting “staunch” Catholics, this is against the faith entirely. In a less murderous example, this would be like a Yeshiva teaching how to defend eating pork or an islamic school teaching the pleasures of alcohol. If you are not going to stick to the tenets of the faith, then disassociate yourself with the Church and be as you are. Deplorable to even call this a Catholic University.

    • teddie77

      The Catholic Church has more similarities than differences with communism. All’s you have to do is look at the way the church/Vatican is set up. It is all supported by the people. They rely on others to support them, they don’t take responsiblity for themselves.

      • RenegadeScholar

        The Catholic Church has more similarities than differences with communism

        umm—except one is a voluntary religion and the other is a totalitarian government.

        Voluntarily donating and/or helping one another bears no similarity at all to having your earnings confiscated and given to someone else of the bureaucrat’s choosing (usually themselves).

        • Katherine McChesney

          ‘voluntary religion;

          Historically the RCC has resorted to genocide and bullying to force people to abide by their teachings.

          • JBTascam

            If you’re going to use history to bolster your arguments – Planned Parenthood was formed to advocate birth control for minorities to keep them from “outbreeding” whites, and the Democrats were pro-slavery.

          • Tommy Tunez

            JBTascam, most Democrats are still pro-slavery. They want conservatives and people with religious morals working to support the freeloading socialists.

          • Feral Cat

            If you are sincerely interested in lowering the pregnancy rate: Do not send Tom to the school—send Pete.
            Problem solved!!!!!

          • j hahn

            PP is wiping out 1.3-1.5 mil. lives a yr in this country alone !!!

          • upyoursideways

            Katherine, Katherine, don’t be stupid. What happened hundreds of years ago is not happening now. No one is coercing anyone to be a Catholic. Islamic, yes. Catholic or even Christian, no. The one thing that persists through the centuries is the presence of some human beings who are born angry for totally irrational reasons and remain that way all their miserable lives. Get well.

          • Feral Cat

            You sound angry and miserable.

          • upyoursideways

            Hi Feral,
            You have a bad ear; I am neither.

          • DeadWhiteMan

            Wrong, you don’t know history. You have, however, imbibed the modern myths and legends very well.

            Good girl.

          • Wyrdless

            The Inquisition…

          • Katherine McChesney

            The Waldenses. The mass genocide of people opposed to Roman Catholicism.

          • gonzali7

            Yes and after Henry VIII broke with Rome the Church of England massacred many thousands of Catholics in the following 150 years. Despots throughout the ages have used various churches as guises for the advancement of political aims. There are plenty of atrocities to go around. Why you are so angry rather than focusing on building the unity that Christ called us to is the real question here.

          • GeorgeLCSmith

            There was a war in England between Catholics and those following the Church of England, for control of the country. It was not simply a case of one side massacring the other. Plenty of people on both sides were killed. Neither side was innocent.

          • gonzali7

            There wasn’t just a war. There was hundreds of years of oppression, especially of Irish Catholics. However I’ll agree that neither side was innocent. Which is why I said, to quote myself, “there are plenty of atrocities to go around.” We should be learning from history, but focusing on building unity as Christians. Only forgiveness can break the cycle of violence. The venom that this Katherine McChesney poster is spouting, if it gains in popularity, dooms us to repeating the sins of the past. Fortunately, she seems to be in the minority on this board.

          • Tigre57

            happened more than 700 years ago. got anything a bit more recent?

          • Mike G

            Lol…we have a lot more current scandals she could use! People being people – its called “fallen nature.”

          • Lou Bator

            The current state of affairs with the moslems murdering and persecuting Christians the world over, as we speak. Does that count?

          • dave06123

            historically, it was nowheres close as what is sadistically portrayed

          • abbeyconway

            You are right, but people don’t want to believe it. The truth be damned.

          • Abram Rutkowski

            …was actually reclaiming Christian lands taken BY Muslims.

          • abbeyconway

            Actually, the Crusades were reclaiming Christian lands. Obviously, we didn’t go far enough. They still exist.

          • TrampDorena

            spain was christian long before allah the moon god had his earthquake.

          • Tigre57

            How many centuries ago was that? It is not something they have done for the last century or so. At the moment the only religion who forces people to join under threat of death is Islam.

          • Mike G

            Even the New York Times, surely no friend of the Church, calls it “The Inquisition Myth.” The myth is mainly fabrications by the enemies of the Church.

          • DeadWhiteMan

            Actually, the Inquisition myth is just that — a myth — as modern historians who have thoroughly investigated the matter are reporting. The Spanish Inquisition, for instance, was regarded upon its creation to be one of the best run and fairest courts in Europe.

          • Wyrdless

            fair courts which prosecuted thought?

            there is No such thing

          • DeadWhiteMan

            They didn’t prosecute thought, but speech. Anyway, as medieval historian Thomas Madden has pointed out, they were designed to SAVE accused heretics from persecution by medieval lords, who were judging them (harshly) before the inquisitions were created. Madden credits the inquisitions with having saved many thousands of lives.

            What you have been taught about history is a myth.

          • gonzali7

            You people love to pick and choose your history. Yes people, including Popes, have done some things that we as Catholics aren’t proud of. But you fail to mention the first 800 years of Church history when it was the target of genocide, first by pagan, then by Muslims.

          • Katherine McChesney

            Wow. Glad to meet you. You are the first Catholic to ever admit to me that you have had wicked Popes. Truth be told the last l,000 years of the Catholic Chuch have been mired in corruption and murder. The Catholic church is no longer what it was centuries ago.

          • gonzali7

            Please don’t mistake me for someone who agrees with your position. The Catholic church emerged long ago from the dark times when it was infected by European politics and wars. Is it perfect? No. But no institution formed by people will ever be perfect, except your church evidently. By the way I know a number of people who are part of the church you belong to (the one that separated from the American Presbyterian) and they would be appalled to hear you speak as you do about Catholics.

          • Tanks-a-lot

            Without the Church we would all be muslims now as Europe had no other way to stay connected in the face of an invading evil like muslims

          • Mike G

            …the Church and Our Lady of Victories.

          • mikec711

            Shhh … don’t talk like that … we are always taught that the Christians in the crusades were evil (which has some truth to it) … we never talk about the Muslims slaughtering people in 60 countries in their quest for world domination … which forced the Christians to fight for their own defense … or be slaughtered like the rest … remember, Muslim good (regardless of how many killed) … Christian bad. Otherwise some sheople might get offended.

          • GeorgeLCSmith

            There are many who believe that pope John Paul the first was assassinated in the Vatican. If they are right, it is a black mark on the Church of Rome.

          • Morley Drury

            The fact that this person has to go back centuries undermines whatever feeble point she’s trying to make. The post to which she was responding said that Catholicism is voluntary. Are you trying to deny that, i.e. that Catholicism is voluntary? Didn’t think so.

          • abbeyconway

            Katherine, you are so full of it. We all know about the Borgias, et al. The Church is comprised of people, not saints. People sin. But we keep our eyes on the prize. Not the same as it was centuries ago? What are you talking about, girl? It remains true to doctrine; that is why it is so hated by people like yourself. It doesn’t change with the times. God doesn’t change with the times. Corruption still exists, yes. Look at the banking problems inside the Vatican….but remember, the Vatican is a country….made up, again, of people; people who sin. It is STILL the TRUE religion, passed down to Peter from Christ who said to Peter, “upon this rock I will build my church’. You are just plain wrong. And if you were Catholic once upon a time, you ought to do a little more research and reflection.

          • Thomas_More

            Do not try to confuse Katherine with accepted religious history. Of course powerful people did regrettable things (rather like the Lutherans executing Baptists in 16th century Germany or Anglicans doing the same thing to Lutherers in England). Here is the 64,000.00 question: Who founded your faith? Luther? King Henry? Knox? Calvin? Jones? Young? Koresh? (you choose, protestants seem to forming a new club every day). My faith? Jesus Christ, assisted by the twelve apostles which established the tap-root of the Roman Catholic church.

          • Charlie Johnston

            Interesting Thomas. A former Protestant and mild anti-Catholic myself, long ago I set about researching every major denomination to its founder. I was utterly stunned to discover the only faiths with an authentic historic claim to having been founded by Jesus Christ, Himself were the Catholic and Orthodox Churches (which are in a 1,000-year-old schism, but did not completely change and rewrite everything while abolishing apostolic succession). I spent another decade after that stewing over it – and if Protestant claims that the Catholic Church was so corrupted it was no longer true, then it meant that Christ’s promise that “even the gates of hell will not prevail against my Church” was wrong. If Christ was wrong He is not God. If He is not God, what’s the point. But He is God and it has now been 23 years since I was received into the Church He promised the gates of hell would not prevail against. How grateful I am!

          • Batman

            I never understood how anyone could say that the Church Jesus founded was not the real Church. As if God can’t see into the future…

          • Spinmamma

            I trod a similar path, but more recently.

          • Jules Winnfield

            And you know that because you were around 1000 years ago and in a position of power? Please take your pseudo-history elsewhere, Kathy McClown.

          • TJFod1

            Agreed since now it is fashionable to embrace killing life in a womb and calling it “necessity”. Any faith that agrees with that belonged in Stanlin’s world.. When the cloud lifts please read my comment above.

          • air to ground

            its better now. but along with power can come corruption, and after all we all are human despite the constant struggle for a higher calling. Its important to remind oneself that the Church is the POEPLE and not the pope. To say the church is corrupt means the entire flock is corrupted. there was a time that the church had 3 popes at once. for a while, a person had the good news of being installed a pope (the position was bought), and the bad news was that the rival family would bump him off so that their family would get to buy the papacy.

          • Mike G

            What is today what it was centuries ago? Did the “Protestant Reformers” spill any blood? You betcha! Did the moslems spill any blood? Huh? Did they?

          • Lou Bator

            The mahounds are spilling blood as we speak.

          • Mike G

            Mired in corruption & murder for the last 1000 years? Are you kidding? Citations please, not just slander bombs.

          • CATS Careers

            dont feed the troll. she is a pseudointellectual creep who is waiting for moms check.

          • Susan Daniels

            Sounds like politicians to me. The Clintons and the Obamas have long lists going.

          • Aj

            All churches are corrupt now…it’s just that the RCC got a head-start by a wide margin. The vatican is that city in Rev. mentioned that will enforce the worship of the political “beast” btw. I strongly endorse the reading/viewing of Dostoyevsky’s “grand inquisitor” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=om6HcUUa8DI

          • John

            Yes it is.

          • Thomas_More

            You apparently, like many hate-filled non-conformists have listened to more than a healthy share of anti-Catholic,protestant, propaganda. It’s too bad that the Church isn’t a bit more like it wascenturies ago, heretics like you would be tried.

          • mikec711

            TM, not sure on your use of commas. Katherine is antiChristian … not just antiCatholic. You seem antiProtestant and proCatholic. Most of us protestants are all about Jesus Christ. Small subsets of all of the churches have done horrible things hundreds of years ago, why you are picking a fight with protestants now is not at all clear to me. Katherine is not a protestant … she is pagan/atheist at best.

          • dave06123

            like what

          • buffbern

            Historically, radical Islam has inflicted death on non-believers, and deadly force to keep control of the people. It continues doing so to this day.

          • Mike G

            All Islam, not just radical Islam inflicts death, special taxes and second class citizenship on their non-believers.

          • Lou Bator

            Dhimmis and kafirs are expected to pay tribute to their mahound “masters”. It is up to all Christians to aid our Christian brothers and sisters and rid the world of mohammedism.

          • dave06123

            Katherine really?….anyone ever tell you that you are full of siht

          • Jules Winnfield

            Only when she isn’t being told that she’s a bigot. Right, Kathy?

          • RetiredArmyGuy

            What a f-king moron!

          • Tim

            Hope that you are getting close to finishing your thesis at MIT. Another intellectual giant from the good ole United States.

          • RetiredArmyGuy

            Actually my thesis was authored at another institution.

            But when a contributor steps up to accuse the Catholic church of genocide and “forcing people to abide by their teachings”, I have to help that person understand that they’re a f-king moron.

            Kinda like you, ya know?

          • Eddie

            Untrue.

          • abbeyconway

            What have you been drinking?

          • Mike G

            …or smoking, or injecting?

          • TJFod1

            ??? rather selective in your reading of history. The fact is the church has been through a lot of history …and the progressives tend to BLAME others for anything that hasn’t gone their way like…Marxism, statism, satanisn, should I go on? So welcome aboard.

            However when you get serious about individual liberty and “free will” you’ll be back to the church since its the only force on earth that has insisted on these critical principles through thick and thin….

            However the American catholic church is full of beans and it will dissipate due its need to be stylish…but the church will survice if we are all to survive.

          • Mike G

            They always criticize the Church, but I have never seen a criticism of Mao, who killed people by the tens of millions, or Stalin who did likewise…never one single word about these people.

          • Christopher A Goodwin

            That’s the dumbest thing I’ve heard in a while. It must be hard going through life dumb, but what choice do you have. Lets talk here and now about current state of affairs, please.

          • air to ground

            “Nobody expects the spanish inquisition”

          • TrampDorena

            get the rack!

            Love that sketch. High art really.

          • Mike G

            Then grab Kathleen.

          • Scoon Jenkins

            LMAO – Please try to not bring up things that happened 400-500 years ago …………… I mean seriously, this is beyond grasping at straws to make your “point’…………try to stick with modern examples if you insist on bashing churches

          • badboy

            Voluntary government? Historically governments have resorted to genocide and worse to force people to obey their laws.
            Touche’.

          • Whitey

            What genocide would that be?

          • CATS Careers

            “genocide”? You truly are a blatant example of complete and utter stupidity. Keep bashing the church while the secular world turns to complete garbage and insanity. But religon bashing is the cool thing, right? When is the last time you saw someone drug away in cuffs for not attending a christian church? Idiot

          • daveinlaurel

            As the Left is fond of saying about every one of their immoral acts -”That’s old news.”

          • mewp12

            Gee, not for the last what 500 years. Unlike communism and Islam.

          • Thomas_More

            BLAH BLAH BLAH

          • j hahn

            Did you ever check out communism ??? How many of 100′s of millions have they snuffed out ??

          • mikec711

            The greatest genocides have been committed by atheists, Hitler, Mao Tse Tung, Josef Stalin. These folks worshipped their man-made government systems (and themselves). Funny when I point these out to the atheists who made clueless statements such as yours they say … they did it because they were despots, not because they were atheists. Funny, when they thought that they were Christians, Buddhists, et al … they did it because of their religion. As soon as they found out that they were atheists, it had nothing to do with their religion (and atheism is a religion that takes far more faith than Christianity).

          • BizzaroWorld2012

            Your statement is quite Irrelevant and a genetic fallacy. It’s rather ironic that your surname indicates your descendants were vikings. Go away.

          • mattsullivan33

            When did the church wipe people out to force people to abide by their teachings?

          • Chillycat2

            Please cite actual evidence and links to support this so called genocide….you won’t be able to though…it’s a load of crap

          • Jim

            Remove the mote from thine eye first… Luther and Calvin and Zwingli and Henry 8th and Cromwell butchered hundreds of thousands forcing their teachings on others

          • Lou Bator

            Are you Catholic, Kathy? Do you even attend a Christian church on a regular basis? You have no dog in this fight, keep your mouth shut.

          • gordiduk

            You have no clue what you are writing about. The Catholic Church has provided more charity, food, clothing, shelter and care for the poor, old and sick than any other institution on the face of the Earth for over two thousand years. Please don’t bring up those facts when bashing many good people who lived their lives putting other people first before themselves. It ruins your attack on a subject you have very little factual knowledge of.

        • air to ground

          Communism is an economic model. It is not a government model. The Catholic church economy is based on communism, each person although unique, is just as worthy in Gods eye as another. The church preaches every sunday to spread the wealth and those who have should share with those that dont. The church is governed by a monarchy. The pope is king and his word goes. It doesnt matter if he was elected by the princes. And yes, it is voluntary to belong and contribute.

          • Seriously?

            So, by extension, you’re saying that those living in a communist state are there voluntarily? You might want to let those people know that they are free to leave anytime — at least one or two might believe otherwise.

          • air to ground

            You are confusing the economic model with the government model.

        • j hahn

          Absolutely correct !!!!!!! Right on !!!

        • altoman69

          not so different in one way…they are both religions

      • skifri3

        The Christian religion itself has more similarities to communism than it does with a capitalist system (not just Catholicism). The problem is that all societies end up needing leaders and when Jesus isn’t around to lead the commune, you end up with guys like Stalin and Castro.

        • Katherine McChesney

          True Protestantism has nothing to do with communism. I admit that there are ‘protestant’ churches in league with the RCC through the National Council of Churches and the World Council of Churches. Those are in apostasy and are no longer Christian Bible-teaching churches. The REformed churches are Christian to the core.

          • buffbern

            To me, “Christian to the core” describes Roman Catholicism, founded by Jesus Christ himself when he named the apostle Peter as “the rock” upon which the Church would be built. Other Christian denominations are Johnny-come-latelies, founded by mortal men with their own interpretations of Old and New Testament teachings.

          • Tanks-a-lot

            The Armenian Church is older than the Catholic Church and closer to the original Christianity than any other.

            If you look at it your way.

        • TJFod1

          Only the Franciscan Order is true socialism on earth since there is a vow of poverty.Large, global and successful

          Katie, FYI prior to that Francis tried to be a knight during one of the defensive Crusades , but instead went to Islamic Lands and met with the Islamic ruler to reduce the level of conflict.
          Oh yes and Obama didn’t know about the NSA spying….

      • regime.change.now

        communism is the evil imposter.

        you have to learn how things work. there are plenty of examples from the natural order.

      • Danneskjold Repossessions

        The difference between Morality and Tyranny is choice.

      • http://johngaltreport.blogspot.com/ John Galt Report

        How foolish.

      • otter1111

        Totally wrong. Pope John Paul II was key in helping bring about the fall of the Soviet Union. He encouraged the solidarity movement. The Vatican is supported by people, just like any church.

      • R M-S

        Rather like the military, professional sports, etc etc.

        Any large institution “relies on others to support them” (gives people something, tangible or intangible, and gets in turn money and significance). Your comment must be the result of a right-wing talking points madlib.

        I’m always astonished by the ignorance people are willing to reveal, in public.

    • NorCalFoothillRich

      A ‘Catholic university’ in name only………………………………………………

      • Corpseman57

        “We’re a Catholic university. Give us money.”

        • Kathleen3

          These so-called Catholic universities make a mockery of the religion and those who count themselves as practicing Catholics.

      • http://johngaltreport.blogspot.com/ John Galt Report

        I guess that would make it a CUINO

        • Barnard Brown

          yes – theygive several courses concentrating on
          St Thomas a CUINO’s writings.I understand that Sandra Fluke will be nominated to the Father Pfleger Chair for Progressive Catholic Education.

    • Dr. Sardonicus

      I share your position but not your analogy. I don’t oppose *child-killing* because it’s against some religious teaching; I oppose it because it’s a practice which is contrary to God’s moral Law (“Do not murder”…Ex. 20:13). Jews are still applying a part of the Law (regarding clean and unclean foods) which doesn’t apply to ANYONE in the current grace dispensation. Your average ‘jew’ is as ‘lost’, today, as they were 2000 years ago when Jesus Christ, the apostle Paul, et al preached to them.

      The muslims get it wrong, too. *Drunkenness* is prohibited in God’s Law, not consuming alcoholic beverages.

      Georgetown has been ‘off the rails’ for a long time…totally given over to the ‘left’ and anti-American principles.

      • Aj

        Right on… making it clear that scripture is 180 degrees from “man’s traditions” which incidentally the Lord detested. Also, it’s rare to find someone who knows that the commandment/hebrew word actually means “murder” vs. “kill”.

      • http://karlq.spaces.live.com Karl Quick

        Abortion on-demand is a violation of “Equal Treatment Under the Law”. Religion and God need not be involved to see this… Our Constitution and Declaration of Independence declare equality is a natural right, the right to life, part of natural consequence of the world. No person inherently has more right to life than some other. Unique DNA, independent circulation system, independent nervous system, etc. It is clearly a distinct animal from the one hosting it. The right of self-defense can justify abortions to protect the life of the mother, but clearly not simply because the mother doesn’t care to sit around for 9 months, especially if the mother was complicit in starting this new life.

        Personally, I think government has NO RIGHT to regulate marriage, just as it cannot outlaw or “bless” love, just as the 1st Amendment forbids interference with religion, creation of a religion, blessing a religion, or in any other way interfere with personal beliefs and speech, limited only when otherwise physical harm to others would result.

        Yet believing government has NO right to regulate religion, it has COMPLETE right, in fact DUTY to enforce non-violent equality of opportunity. ….thus Abortion (on demand) is clearly illegal for violating equality.

        Murder, theft, and all other “sins” according to some moral system are prosecuted under our constitution NOT to enforce morality (as we are not suppose to violate the freedom of thought/belief) but because these particular “sins” violate the right to equal treatment (right to life, right to property, etc.)

        • M_J_S

          Oh no!~The libtards will start a celebrity fundraiser for a f- ing minnow in a stream that may be killed by “evil” man’s behavior but not a child in the womb.

          • FLOYDINFLORIDA

            Well look on the bright side Democrat Liberals killing off Liberal Baby’s, who cares! Let them go ahead and kill off their Species?

        • Don Quick

          Hey Karl I am also a “Quick” glad to meet you.

        • mikec711

          As a Christian and a Libertarian … I have to say that you eloquently show the logic behind this on non-religious grounds. In that this is not a Christian nation (it may have been … but it certainly is not) … intelligent and eloquent logical defenses such as this are crucial. The fact that the heart is beating at 24 days (before most abortions are performed) is just another reinforcement.

          • Corpseman57

            How many abortions are performed in the 2nd and 3rd trimester? How many are partial birth abortions? With millions of abortions being performed that means many unborn may be suffering pain during the abortions. Why don’t we err on the side of caution?

          • mikec711

            Be careful about talking about that. Remember the media completely censored the Dr. Kermit Gosnell house of horrors and Feinstein herself said that Gosnell’s torture chamber was no worse than other partial birth killing fields. So most proAbortion folks believe that having an abortion is like “getting a hair-cut” (their term, not mine). So please don’t confuse them with the reality of the horrific and brutal nature of these killings. They don’t want to understand that reality.

        • Ray

          Karl the supreme court defines a person to be a life at birth not conception. That is the difference. When life legally starts. I think its bull crap, but it’s the law of the land now.

          • krusatyr

            I am curious to read the Supremes’ opinion stating life commences at birth. Please provide reference for that edict.

            “Preemies” are saved and kept alive at 5 months, a few even younger. Does this mean life begins for some at a 9 month birth and others at 5?

            The derelict that ducks his duty in the WH believes a baby that survives abortion should be left unattended, to die, because abortion, not live birth, was the “intent” of the mother.

            Yet your rule that live birth is the test of personhood would conflict with that practice and make it infanticide.

          • Ray

            Excuse me? My rule? It’s not my rule pal read what I wrote before you attribute something to me there skippy. ok Rowe V Wade. Heard of it? The Roe decision defined “viable” as being “potentially able to live outside the mother’s womb, albeit with artificial aid, viability “is usually placed at about seven months (28 weeks) but may occur earlier, even at 24 weeks No the Supreme court did not explicitly state that life starts at birth, but their decision effectively made it so. The decision stated the right to abortion until viability. Soooo, I take that to mean born, ie outside of the womb. Which would mean that decision defined the start of “life” as birth. We lost a baby after eight months and a lot of tears because of a premature birth, does that sound to you like its my damn rule? Try reading the decision holy crap this is like law 101 here. It’s common freakin knowledge.

          • Spinmamma

            I am a lawyer familiar with Roe V Wade. “Viability” is not the same as “birth.” Your logic is very muddled. That being said, I am very sorry for the loss of your baby. I have first hand knowledge of the pain of a miscarriage.

          • Ray

            As I am for your loss, I’m not a lawyer, but I do have seven in my family! However I have read that decision. They basically legalized abortion up to viability, which they define as living outside of the mothers womb. How is that muddled? It is the same as birth because they (the court) defined it as such. I don’t know how you could reach any other conclusion. If this is not the case then my friend how is abortion not murder??

          • Spinmamma

            “Viability” means a child is able to survive outside the womb, even if it needs a lot of help such as is given to very premature babies in a neonatal unit, if it were removed from the womb. It does not mean the child is actually born. This issue often comes up in the context of tort actions against persons who cause a woman to miscarry–such as in an auto accident or where the woman is punched or kicked. It also comes up in the context of murder cases where the pregnant mother is killed and the issue becomes whether or not the act was a double homicide because of the death of the fetus. As medical technology advances, the age of viability becomes lower and lower. It is much earlier in a pregnancy now that it was at the time of Roe v Wade.

          • krusatyr

            You frame a rational argument but could have concluded more from your points.

            A further conclusion, which indicts the whole “Pro Choice” zeitgeist, is that if most abortions are for the economic and lifestyle convenience of the mother, despite the viability of the fetus, then, as technology pushes viability closer to conception, it simultaneously equates more abortion with murder.

            One prefers cut and dry definitions within a law, not creeping nuances dependent on the advance of medicine. Of course this happens at the other end of life, also as a function of medical technology: what constitutes a vegetative state to justify “pulling the plug” when virtually all of a person’s body parts can be cloned in a lab?

            Suppose all of a person’s cognitive ability and memory are implanted in a brand new body, enabling a Dorian Gray eternity? Such is not the fanciful science fiction of the Twilight Zone any more.

            Courts and law may be challenged to keep up with technology, but acknowledging a fetus’s right to life as surpassing the mother’s right to convenience is a rational step to rid law of deceitful politics.

          • Spinmamma

            No argument from me on the importance of acknowledging a fetus’s right to life, for all of the reasons you have stated. In the world we live in, the advanced technologies you mention will be available to the very wealthy–the rest of humanity will continue to deal with the economics of “personhood” and the harsh realities of death panels. IMHO it is highly unlikely the nexus of personhood and enormously expensive technology to prolong life will come to court.

          • s

            According to Webster’s, schizophrenic describes a mental illness. I think the word you’re looking for is contradictory, inconsistent, or conflicting.

            I once heard a story about a young pro-”choice” woman in a biology class. They were dissecting fetal pigs, and upon hearing her classmates call the animals “baby pigs”, she would declare “It isn’t a pig!”.

            The hypocrisy is astounding.

          • Spinmamma

            I used “schizophrenic” as hyperbole, thinking the words you suggest are inadequate to describe the moral sickness that underlies these contradictions.

          • memphis2

            You are misstating the decision. You need to actually read the decision.

          • http://karlq.spaces.live.com Karl Quick

            Ray, SCOTUS once said a black man was not a man but property. …or so the story goes. Reading further we find that insane suggestion actually was a compromise allowing different states to live in “relative” peace, (some slave – some free) until the Civil War broke out over that bit of insanity.
            In this year’s ruling, SCOTUS is claimed to approve of gay marriage. Upon closer reading, it actually said that “equal treatment under the law” trumps whatever definition you use for “marriage”. Another cowardly splitting of the baby much like the infamous Dred Scott ruling mentioned above!
            It was of course correct that if government were to give a man and woman a discount on their TAXES for claiming to be more than roommates, then certainly two men or two women deserve equal treatment. But that is VERY far from declaring that ever pair of friends are married! The problem was the unequal treatment, not the denial or affirmation of a new definition of marriage.
            I think your suggestion that a legal and natural right to life does not exist before natural birth! The ruling certainly is nuanced than that as demonstrated by cesarian section! Further, laws all over the nation extend the right to life to include the third trimester, and often earlier.
            We need to watch what SCOTUS says closely. Like the judge of the old testament that handled conflicting motherhood claims by proposing to cut the baby in half!
            The objective of the court is to resolve conflict “under the law”, not to define absolute truth!

          • memphis2

            You need to actually read the decision. SCOTUS did not rule that life begins at birth. That is what liberals would like to believe they said.

          • Ray

            Memphis the viability statement is right out of the damn decision, then they define viable as OUTSIDE OF THE WOMB. If you don’t get it I can’t help you. You read it, I already have it’s a quote, verbatim, exactly what is written in the majority opinion. Did it say birth, no it didn’t, but I don’t know any other way to say outside the womb!!!!!! I have read some comments here that a baby taken from the womb doesn’t constitute birth, I think that is splitting hairs just a tad. I mean, a child that was taken by C-section doesn’t celebrate Takenday do they? When they fill out birthdate on a legal document do they change that to takenday? You folks can argue around the edges till the cows come home, but the fact still remains that a mother can legally terminate her childs life before birth and it’s not legally murder, because of this decision. I state again, emphatically, I do not agree with condone or advocate, the killing of a life in the womb or out. It’s morally wrong to me if it’s legal or not.

        • Jeff Sheaffer

          Abortion -on demand is the most evil term in the world! America needs to examine their heart! We live are a cold selfish world when a a person is unpopular for saying they love the unborn! God created every human being.with a soul that lives on throughout eternity….can’t anybody just say I love babies? Jesus loved little children! The abortion doctor in Philadelphia who slashed live babies with a butcher knife and preserved them in jars as trophies??!! How can he live with himself?

      • Freeland_Dave

        It’s not for me to judge other people. That’s God’s sole privilege. Having said that, with the Christian/Catholic comments here it appears to me there are a lot of people claiming to be Christian, AKA Followers of Christ, that really are not. Of course, if you study God’s word, you should already know that. Note: Just saying you believe in God or know Jesus, according to God’s word, simply isn’t enough. Something about “those who follow my commandments” seems come to mind; it’s found in Revelations. For one, Satan knows who God and Christ are better than anyone alive on the face of the Earth today. Do you think that knowledge is going to do him any good at the end of time?

        Christians accept that breaking any one of the ten commandments is a sin. So what if you keep four or five and break the rest, does that do you or anyone else any good? How about if you keep nine but continually break one. Are you really any better than a person who breaks them all? And if breaking one warrants spiritual death what’s in store for the Christian who breaks four or five?

        • krusatyr

          All men are sinners. The righteous are those that confess their sin, make a good confession and act of contrition and “go and sin no more” until, alas, they do it again.

          Sins are not equal, but all can be forgiven. By God anyway. I’ll never forgive obamunists for what they have wreaked upon our country, nor Sandusky type crimes against boys nor other horrors against women and children.

        • dannyvice

          Satan is also a deep believer in Jesus Christ, knows every word of the bible, and has heard the message of salvation a million times…… and we all know where he’s going.

        • D John

          Its been recorded through history that St. John Vianney knew through God’s revelation that a woman’s husband who killed himself made an act of contrition as he fell from the bridge before his death and was forgiven by God the father and Jesus. Also the Bible states that teachers of the faith are judged to a higher standard then those who are less knowledgeable and have less authority. My point, one should not make judgement’s about hell on others thus they might have them lose hope and surely go to hell. Also Love in one’s heart for the father and the son, in my opinion, is a mitigating factor at the final judgement.

      • Vick Cherey

        I ‘totally’ agree *with* your ‘position’ regarding *this* important ‘matter’.

    • Supergirl333

      It is a Catholic University in name only and the Bishop of the Diocese should demand that they not promote this or have the Catholic identity stripped from them. That’s what Bishop Thomas from Phoenix did with a hospital.

      • aberdeenvet

        In addition the government should be requested to divest them of their tax exempt status since they no longer would have any Catholic identity.

        • strongmind

          but considering it was probably a “connection” between Kelli Garcia and the obama administration that hatched this idea…..

        • R M-S

          Because secular universities aren’t tax exempt?

          • parker1227

            They shouldn’t be. “Secular” leftist universities are the epitome of political bias and intolerance. Most American universities define the word “fundamentalist” and preach far more intolerance than most religions in this world. They promote complete and total anti-American, anti-capitalist lies and propaganda – just like all good, lying Marxist scumbags do.

          • William Dorrit

            Now the Marxist Dogma is in the Elementary Schools and the rest of the school system. The Marxists are making their big push now.

          • R M-S

            So only people who agree with you deserve tax exempt status, got it. You’re over-playing the stereotypical right-wing intolerance for dissenting views—are you a troll?

          • memphis2

            It seems to work for the IRS.

      • William Dorrit

        I am still trying to figure out why the US Catholic Bishops and Cardinals worked so hard to get Universal Abortion, I mean Obamacare passed by the Congress. Could it be that they weren’t prosecuted for say kiddie rape in exchange for selling out the Catholics in the US?

        • Lou Bator

          You pretty much have no idea what you’re talking about, do you, Billy? You must get all of your information from the liberal bent msm, a large organization that hates the Catholic church. Get your head out of your rear and do a little research on the assaults and the Church’s response to them, and perhaps you may learn something.

          • William Dorrit

            When Obamacare was in doubt the Bishops and Cardinals put it over the top with a wink and nod from Obama, actions speak louder than words, Catholics were sold out.

          • Stevelsn

            At that point, many were still in ignorance about what a complete liar Obama was. Health care for the poor has always been a tenet of the faith, though many doubt the wisdom of entanglement with government. Had Obama and the Democrat party truly been concerned for the welfare of the poor instead of maliciously foisting this contemptuous program upon us in order to further their EVIL intents, the Bishops support wouldn’t have been so egregious. I can only fault them for their political naivete.

          • William Dorrit

            If the Bishops and Cardinals are as Niave or Retarded as you think they are, they should retire or be removed by the Pope and install people who are mentally compenent into the leadership positoins. Quid Pro Quo, kiddie rapers get a pass if the Bishops and Cardinals back Abortion on demand. It happened.

    • TJFod1

      Fashion, wealth, consumption, pornography, and vanity are the guts of materialism that John Paul the Great warned against. Let the broads have their way and we can shut the church down right quick.
      Women are destroying the church as much as they want to destroy life.

      • Texmom

        The sad truth is they sell abortion as empowerment. The inner soul within each of knows abortion is wrong. These women will destroy lives in their thirst for political power.

        • Anna Hall Bohach

          I look at it from the opposite view: they have gained political power in their thirst to destroy life.

          • Texmom

            But no lives were lost! These babies are real, not just the contents of the uterus. Abortion should not define female empowerment.

        • air to ground

          The democrats are masters of marketing. They can sell poop as environmentally recycled food. Try some!

      • Anna Hall Bohach

        Not women, but rather feminists. Feminists are not women. They are not even human.

        • gobnait

          Couldn’t agree more. I am deeply offended by so-called feminists who presume to speak for me.

        • altoman69

          I think Rush has it right when he calls them feminazis. They have their own little ovens of death. each and every one.

      • j hahn

        Sadly it seems there is much truth in this statement.

    • Ron Athrawes

      “President Obama ended his address to the largest abortion provider in the U.S., Planned Parenthood, by saying, “God bless you.”

      http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama-largest-abortion-provider-god-bless-you_719216.html

    • Wallmantx

      Time to remove your children from the protectors of Hell. I wouldn’t spend a dime of my money on this fake Catholic University. If the left has a problem with the Redskins name, I have a problem with them calling themselves Catholic.

    • HarryObrian

      What this is is the ILLUMINATI telling the Catholic church that there are too many “food eaters” on the planet and that they have to get on board to reduce that number.

    • mewp12

      The world is truly coming to an end. They should lose their charter.

    • j hahn

      This is far worse than pork or alcohol …..we are dealing w/LIFE !!!!!!

    • AndreaNY

      They only identify with Catholic roots when it benefits them such as asking for money, something needs to give.

    • Don

      I’m not even Catholic and I have to agree with what you are saying.

    • JacksonPearson

      Heaven is watching, so this won’t go unpunished.

  • William P Murphy

    ‘Social Justice (the Spirit of Vatican II?)’ mandates that Catholic Tax Payers pay for child executions?

    • vharlow

      No.

  • ladyluck

    This is not a real Catholic college …..it is heresy to teach that abortion is not a sin. I would guess that these liberal so called Catholics have their spin story ready.

  • tempusfugitone

    Too bad most Catholic university administrators are not so liberal that they believe in karma.

  • 69Chiwowwa

    We also now have a Pope that says Catholics should stop obsessing over gays and abortion. No more money in the collection plate from me !
    Another dark time beginning within the church. Again !

    • carlo1775

      Yeah, The Pope definitely needs a new spokesperson or the Prophecy of the Popes is true.

    • disqus_HXPuP9E9zS

      Stop it! Pope Francis is clearly, adamantly opposed to direct abortion and to homosexual behavior (as distinct from homosexuals). What he has been saying is that opposition to direct abortion and homosexual behavior flows from the love of God and that such opposition is not arbitrary.

      And Kudos to the Cardinal Newman Society for continuing its fine work to defend Catholicism and expose the “Smoke of Satan” (to use an expression used, I believe, by Pope Paul VI).

      • MiserereMeiDeus

        It’s questionable if Francis is even Catholic.

        • jim_luvs_Jesus

          Funny… people will question anything when they are lost. St. Paul (Saul) used to question why Christians should be allowed to speak of and follow Jesus.
          If you find Pope Francis’ credentials as a Catholic to be in question, you might question your own credentials first (I am reminded of the Gospel this past Sunday… the proud Pharisee who fasts twice a week, tithes on all his earnings and is so glad that he is not like the nearby tax collector…)

          • MiserereMeiDeus

            I’ve no doubt you thought of that Gospel, and put that spin on it. It’s a kneejerk no-brainer that would occur to any sanctimonious boiled frog who doesn’t know the difference between the Deposit of Faith and the Communist Manifesto.

          • jim_luvs_Jesus

            But would it be any less true if I were a ‘sanctimonious boiled frog’ (smile)

          • MiserereMeiDeus

            The truth is the truth, no matter who says it or how they say it. Obviously it does not reflect well on me that I did not turn the other cheek and respond mildly to your suggestion that there was something wrong with me for noticing that the emperor had no clothes, but the fact remains that either Francis is Catholic or he isn’t. If you listen to his words and compare them to those of every pope prior to the “pastoral, non-dogmatic” Vatican II council, it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see the contradictions. The question isn’t whether or not Francis is a heretic; the question is whether he knows that his heresies are in fact heresies and contradict the Faith as revealed by Our Lord and passed down through the apostles to their successors. If he does, he’s a formal heretic as well as a material heretic, he is excommunicated latae sententiae, and for the time being the Chair of Peter is empty. Otherwise we are stuck with a pope who doesn’t know his own religion and for whom we had better pray for very hard if we don’t want the destruction already wrought by Vatican II to accelerate, leaving only a tiny remnant of the faithful hiding in the catacombs while the official mainstream Catholic Church, Inc., becomes the front for the anti-Christ’s one world religion.

    • L_Dave

      Francis did not say those teachings are wrong, rather that the Church needs to address other issues too.

      • Tom_EE

        But Popes need to address heresy!

        • Katherine McChesney

          But, the Pope is a heretical dictator. He is no more a Christian than Satan. And he lies when he claims to be the Vicar of Christ.

          • Tom_EE

            Far too many Christians, especially Catholics, base their beliefs in “a church”, rather than believing in God.

          • jim_luvs_Jesus

            Tom… who teaches you the truth? If you don’t receive the truth from The Church, you are making yourself above the person / office that Christ gave authority on Earth. Peter and his successors were given the keys to the kingdom and authority to bind and loose. It is the church that guards the truth and teaches it to the world. It is the church that leads people to believe in Jesus Christ as the only Son of God. I don’t think you received the Gospel message by yourself. The Catholic Church compiled the canonical writings that were incorporated into the bible and by authority from God, determined which writings were inspired and which were not. You would not have the Bible we have today if it were not for God and His desire for the Catholic Church to preserve and defend the tradition of our Holy Scriptures. The Church is the pillar and foundation of truth (1 Tim 3:15)

          • Tom_EE

            I agree that we must follow “The Church” that God created. But we must be careful to distinguish “The Church” from “the churches”, institutions and beliefs created by man. The Catholic Georgetown University is a perfect example of that!

            For the Catholic Church to not stop this heresy places the Catholic Church themselves in a position of promoting heresy!

            So whose teachings should a Catholic believe? Who represents “the truth” for the Catholic Church?

            Individuals stand before God and are responsible for their own actions. No church will be standing beside them at their defense.

            “The Church” is important, but only we can determine if the teachings are God’s, or are heresy.

            I guess I’m not say church’s aren’t important, because they have a great importance, but we must judge with our conscience and through prayer whether we are being led astray by man created heresy!

          • donobrien

            jim ,,,,,,,, BINGO… that the Catholic Church compiled the books of the New Testament is a devastating argument and you might add that there was no Bible [New Testament] for the first years of the Christian Church. It wasn’t written yet and I believe the Gospel of St. John was written in the 90′s AD. So much for Sola Scriptura.

          • donobrien

            Tom and Catherine, you were meant for each other.

          • Tom_EE

            Assuming you meant Katherine, not really.

            I don’t believe the Papacy is evil, but is too often led astray by liberal causes. I agree with Pope Francis the the catholic church shouldn’t be obsessed with abortion or gay “marriage”, but neither should they ignore, as they have for all practical purpose, ignored them for decades.

            In simple statements the Vatican can decisively finalize the abortion issue for many decades. Any Catholic officials who do not defend the life of the unborn, are to immediately cease or be excommunicated. The same goes for Catholic institutions (universities, hospitals, schools, etc). Fire anyone who promotes abortion. Enforce the ban of giving Communion to politicians who support or promote abortion. No exemptions!

            As far as those in the Catholic church that “accept” gay “marriage”, inform them that although they must love and respect ALL people, they must not accept or in any way, participate in sinful behavior. Any Priest who speaks against this or participates in any way in a gay “marriage”, must be immediately excommunicated.

            Neither issue should be up for debate or discussion. That’s how to not “obsessive” over the issues, by just putting them both to bed in a final and decisive manner!

            The Catholic Church must stand by their beliefs, God and the Bible!

          • donobrien

            I noticed that when Katherine said the Pope was no more a Christian than Satan, you seemed to accept what she said. You merely replied that Catholics place their belief in a church rather than in God. Catholics believe in God and only look to the Church for guidance, because Jesus Christ founded the Church for that reason. “Thou art Peter [rock, in Latin, I don't know the Aramaic word] and upon this rock I will build my church.” He promised the Holy Spirit would guide the Church. That’s why Catholics listen to the Pope and bishops.

            All men are fallible, including popes, bishops, priests and monks. Some have been sinful, caused great scandal and probably ended in Hell. But if Christ is to be believed, the Holy Spirit is with the Church for all times. Reform and renewal are often called for, but splitting the church into hundreds of different denominations. Is that serving the cause of Christ?

          • Tom_EE

            I agree in part with what Katherine was saying, But not including much of the “Satan” stuff, etc. I reserve “Satan” analogies to to some world “leaders” and politicians.

            In general, I believe the two of us share very similar beliefs.

            I believe “The Church” that Jesus founded includes all, or at least most Christian churches. We all believe in the Bible’s teachings, although some portions of its interpretation do vary. For example, I don’t believe any church that teaches hatred, is a true Christian church, regardless of what they consider themselves. Some Christian churches follow the Bibles teachings more literally, than others. i don’t believe any church that condones abortion or gay “marriage” has a right to consider itself a Christian church.This is not to say that any church should shun sinners, since as Christians in our hearts, we must love our neighbors. On the other hand, no church should find it acceptable when a politicians speaks out in favor of abortion or gay “marriage, claiming that they aren’t their personal beliefs, but it’s OK for others. That IS NOT being a true Christian! Christian churches have a responsibility to call them out on those issues!

            Concerning “men are fallible”, that is the problem with confusing “Jesus Christ’s Church”, and “man’s church”. We all must be cautious about following man’s verse Christ’s Church.

            The decay of morality in society is not just due to the low numbers of people attending church on a regular basis, but it is also because those that do, all too often don’t defend Christ’s teachings.

            Take for example gay “marriage”. The Bible is very clear that this is unacceptable. Those that try to weasel word the acceptance of gay “marriage” since as Christians we must love everyone, is quit frank BS! Those “Christian” churches that find gay “marriage” acceptable, are not in my opinion, Christ’s Churches, but “men’s churches”. For any Christian, or Christian Church to sit on the side lines quietly while our predominately Christian society is perverted by gay “marriage”, is an abomination.

            As Christians, and Christian Churches we can’t justify our faith when we sit back and don’t speak out about atrocities! Where is the leadership within “Christ’s Church” that has the responsibility to speak out against the direction that our society is headed? It’s not enough for someone to quietly comment about “Church” doctrine. And it’s not about these issues becoming an “obsession”. But why hasn’t Pope Francis called those in the “chain of command” to Georgetown University, been called to explain even cursory support for abortion? The explanation is simple, the Catholic Church has it’s faults like all Christian churches. There are some small Christian churches that take harder lines on these issues, but don’t have the clout of the Catholic church. Why the silence from the Vatican? It’s deafening!

            The bottom line is that no church is perfect, since they all are influenced by men, or women, who are not infallible. It’s way past time for all of Christ’s Churches to pull together, and speak out for the sake of Christianity, if not for all of humanity!

            (Sorry in advance for any typo’s etc, I don’t have time to re-read what I wrote!)

            God Bless!

          • donobrien

            To Tom_EE: Thank you for your fraternal reply. We probably agree on most things religious and moral. In thhese difficult days for our country we must have unity among men and women of good will. We are facing forces of relativism, secularism, and an overriding of the Constitution.

            Mr. Obama is not just an incompetent leader; he is growing the role of government and threatening our freedoms. His vision is a socialist one that failed in Nazi Germany and Communist Russia, as well as the “socialist lite” countries of post war Western Europe. And so, we have to stand together, true Protestants and Catholics, as well as our Jewish brothers and sisters, who agree on the fundamentals of liberty and a Constitutional Republic.

            I respect your beliefs, but I remain a Catholic for reasons I enunciated above. Christ chose Peter and promised to guide the church for all time through the Holy Spirit. The Augustinian monk and Catholic priest, Martin Luther was right to call for reform. That is one of the purposes of church councils [like Vatican II], but I don’t believe Christ would have wanted the Church to be splintered into hundreds of denominations. Reform, yes. Schism, no.

            But that’s what happened. Will the pieces ever be put together again? I hope so, but not in my lifetime. It would take a lot of people of good will to accomplish that. People like you, perhaps. Thanks for your thoughtful post and God Bless you, too.

          • Tom_EE

            Thank you Don!

            I respect and admire admire you for your faith!

            God Bless you and all Christian Churches!

            And also, God Bless these United States and help us through our adversities!

          • jim_luvs_Jesus

            I think this was the argument of the Pharisees and Sadducees that was used against Jesus. Katherine… some things that people think they know, are just plain wrong. Every church has a “Judas”. The church founded by Jesus is no exception.

          • dave06123

            you really are mentally sick

    • Archie Bunker

      He is bang on. most people DO need to stop obsessing over gays and abortions. why lose sleep over something you have absolutely no control over. if you are out there crying about gays getting married then you are part of the problem and not the solution.

      • Engage Gray Matter

        I think you misunderstood what the Holy See indeed did say. While we should stop obsessing, we shouldn’t condone the sinful nature of same sex relations. Just like we shouldn’t condone heterosexual relations outside of marriage. Catholics don’t believe that to be a good thing either.

        • Archie Bunker

          the last 2 sentences were my opinion. I come from a strong catholic family. besides my old school eastern european grandma, almost all catholics i know and met in church dont care about gays getting married. nore do they see it as a sin. as far as abortion goes i would say it is around 50% who dont care, but the ones who do dont go on a public hate spree telling people they are going to hell. granted i do not live in america where these fake religious people love to spew hatred as if it was going out of style

          • gregio

            Now I get it Archie, its all about the “spewing” that defines acceptable religion. So if a terrorist is speaking kind words while he kills someone he is “acceptable” If 51% of the population vote for genocide, it is “acceptable”. If a woman “loves” her mate it is “acceptable” to kill her child as long as she doesn’t “spew”. Are you a poster child for moral equality,
            a champion for non-judgemental non- standards? Are you the next generation??

        • gregio

          We should stop obsessing over same sex marriage, abortion or genocide, we should all just try to “get along”. Why doesn’t he just come out and say it::” All you people with morals and faith need to compromise” As our dear leader says:” Its our way or the highway” they just have to learn how to compromise..

          • raffer

            he “doesn’t come out and say it” cause that’s not what he has been saying. its more akin to let individuals know about the mercy of Jesus and then explain to them the immorality of said sins.

      • aggietx2

        You finally admit there is a problem.
        *snork*

      • llbee

        Packing fudge and playing the skin-flute are disgusting and wicked.

        • Archie Bunker

          then why are you thinking and dwelling about it???

    • raffer

      no that’s what the press quoted he said, in fact the next day after the above quote he commended a group of doctors on being the front line defence against abortion

    • donobrien

      Now you will have an extra buck in your pocket each week.

    • donobrien

      My reply to 69Chiwowwa appeared and is now gone, Was someone offended that I said he would have an extra buck in his pocket each week? Will this get removed, too?

  • Mr_DAA

    If I may speak freely (still) The Heavens above are filling with His flames of wrath and preparation is being made for a long overdue “correction” in His flock.

  • carlo1775

    Catholic University is not Catholic. Wake up you bloated American Cardinals and fight or you will lose your flock!!!

    • L_Dave

      The headline is poor because Catholic University is not the one involved in this story, it’s Georgetown U. (But you are right about C.U., as I understand it.)

  • OrdinaryAmerican2012

    College credit for learning how to get more babies murdered?

    What’s next in the curriculum?

    “Designing and Architecture of Concentration Camps, Death Camps, and ovens.”

    • genetics73

      In fact, one of Indianapolis schools in the past few years had a teacher give her students an economic “problem” to solve: “how could the ovens in extermination camps be run at the highest efficiency and how to improve throughput?” Her excuse was that she was teaching a “math problem.” So, your “fiction” is basically a reality – the new curriculum is already here..

      • OrdinaryAmerican2012

        I believe we’re less than a generation away from becoming just like Nazi Germany was in the 1930′s.

  • malcom

    Satan has always been a big influence to this religion. It’s wise to denounce such evil .

    • Jim_in_CO

      You too, Malcom? open your eyes.

      • Katherine McChesney

        malcom is correct. This is a pagan political power in league with the devil himself.

    • Archie Bunker

      there is no such thing as satan or hell. is was made up and created by the men who spread the word of god.

  • Thomas Fournier

    Face it only illegal aliens are allowed to have babies in this country from now on, Americans must have abortions. This policy will be followed until this country is a dumb down 3rd world sewer.

  • jabusse

    As long as they mostly kill minority kids It is OK with me. Kind of like the Inquest revisited. We gotta uphold the real reason behind planned parenthood and the Church. It is the way of the Catholic University. And they think Moslems are wicked.

  • smokehouse56

    Georgetown is a far left radical university. Here, anything goes, in the name of liberalism of course. To paint this cesspool as a frontline Catholic University is just a lie. I have never given them a dime and never will.

    • Linda

      It’s been radically left for 5 decades.

      • Katherine McChesney

        It’s always been radically left due to the homosexual Jesuit devils, the Social Justice/Marxist crew who are instrumental in bringing the world under the control of the demonic Roman Catholic church.

        • Thenumber Onecrab

          You seem angry. What did the Church do to you? Must have been pretty bad.

          • Katherine McChesney

            It is due to the mass killings of people throughout history who refused to bow to the Pope and this anti-Christ pagan religion.

          • Thenumber Onecrab

            Are you an ex-Catholic? They are usually the angriest anti-Catholic people.

          • Tom_EE

            As an “ex-Catholic” I discovered that believing in God was what was really important, and that believing in “a church” for its own sake, is tantamount to paganism.

            A Christian church or religion must follow it’s beliefs, in this case as stated in the Bible. A problem arises from the fact that both a church run by humans, and that the Bible has been translated by humans. Both are subject to error and heresy.

            Ultimately we are subject to our own conscience and will be judged by God for our own actions. If we as individuals have made excuses, justified our own actions for what ever reasons, WE will be held responsible! Not the Pope, a priest or minister!

          • Katherine McChesney

            I agree with you. I adhere to the Bible but attend a REformed religion – one affiliated with the Presbyterian Church in America which split with the leftist, apostate and wicked Presbyterian Church in the U.S. who also promote heresy, abortion, same sex marriage and Islam.

          • dave06123

            oh please huh…stop it the Catholic/Orthdox church are the one true religion

          • Tom_EE

            So, are you saying that if one doesn’t belong to the Catholic/Orthodox they can’t possibly be saved?

            As a child, that is what I was taught. The Catholic Church itself no longer even supports this belief. The fundamental Christian beliefs are most important, and some Christian churches are even more Biblical correct the Catholic Church.

            Who is to say there is only one true Christian religion? The Pope, or God?

            Isn’t the life we lead, following Biblical teachings, shunning heresy and helping others, the most important things we can do?

            No religion is perfect including Catholicism, as they are all led and controlled by man.

          • Crutch

            So you must really hate Muslims…….At least they are killing people now versus 500 years ago+

          • Katherine McChesney

            Stop diverting the attention away from the evil political power that is RCC.

          • Marbran

            No. You stated that the RCC performed massive killings of those who refused to bow down to the Pope. That is simply not true. The Crusades were a delayed response to Muslim imperialism that threatened the very existence of the Catholic Church, just as Muslims are purging Christians from their lands today, by killing and enslaving non-Muslims that refuse to leave. You think you can fool people with your rewritten history. Some you may indeed fool, but not all of us, especially those of us who pay attention.

          • abbeyconway

            Wow, you really are crazy. Sure you didn’t belong to the Jim Jones commune???

          • Marbran

            Yup, hurl insults, but don’t even attempt to refute what I said. Typical.

          • abbeyconway

            oops, sorry Marbran. My comment was meant for crazy katherine. NOT you!!! I reposted where it belongs. Sorry. I am on your side.

          • Marbran

            Lol…no problem. Thanks. ;)

          • vharlow

            Power? No one is forced to be Catholic or to practice as one. It’s a choice. You aren’t killed for quitting. You aren’t even shunned! Power? How about the power of the loving kindness and generosity of those practicing who give their time, love, compassion, money, and other treasure to help others, as we are called to do. It’s a choice. Evil political power???? Right. All those youngsters assembled to meet the new Pope because they were coerced to do so???? I’m laughing! They loved him, and liked his truly Christian message, to love others. Evil political power.

          • abbeyconway

            Crazy lady……the RCC has done more good in this world and continues to do good, more than the rest of the world, combined. It is probably the largest relief agency in the world. You just don’t hear about it because of people like yourself, imbued with hatred, who work in the news media.

          • abbeyconway

            Wow, you really are crazy. Sure you didn’t belong to the Jim Jones commune???

          • KCGranny

            I think you underestimated how many they killed in the name of the Crusades. Muhammed means violent suppression of any other form of religion.

          • Crutch

            I wish the Crusades had been FAR FAR more successful in killing the muslims. Meanwhile, back in our world and time, the Muslims are killing and oppressing the world over. Rather have the Catholics ANY day!

          • abbeyconway

            We obviously didn’t go far enough. We should have exterminated that evil hundreds of years ago.

          • abbeyconway

            Islam is evil. It was created 600 years after Christ . Mohammed, the pedophile came from the lineage of Ishmael, the ilegitimate son of Abraham whereas Jesus came from the House of David, Abraham and Sara’s true son. It is evil pitted against good. The devil rising up….

          • chronovisor

            Wow get a grip ma’am, you sound like sinead o’conner

          • dave06123

            Katherine, anyone ever tell yuou that you are full of siht

          • raffer

            I actually thought you were an atheist till a few posts ago, your posts seem anything but Christian. what ever denomination you belong to I doubt your ever going to make it as a spokesperson for them

          • Flayer

            More people have been killed by atheists. And they were killed BECAUSE of atheist ideology, rather than IN SPITE OF Judeo-Christian belief. Please review the last century, often referred to by historians as the “Bloody Century” because of the breathtaking numbers of mass murders committed by charismatic men unmoored from basic morality of a Supreme Creator of the Universe.

          • Natalie

            And how many unborn people has your Democrat party allowed to be killed??? Oh- I forgot- those aren’t really people Katherine. My goodness- you need help.

            What about all the Muslims that Islam has killed? You got a beef with them or are you scared to speak out? Sure there are NO consequences to bashing the Church. I doubt you’re so brave about speaking against Islam- huh??

          • Chris

            Katherine,
            Please stop reading backwoods bigotry brochures and anti-Catholic Jack Chick tracts.

            Seriously your history and understanding is so incredibly flawed you sound ignorant and foolish.

            I am sure you are not.

            Still, you have to understand how silly you sound. Imagine listening to someone trying to convince you that the Holocaust didn’t happen or the Apollo moon landings were faked….that is what you sound like. Stop while you are a head.

            If all you know about the Catholic Church is taken from anti-Catholic sources what do you expect to find. Its like going to a Klan rally to learn more about African-American culture.

            Take a few weeks and read some objective information that are written by people don’t have an agenda based on hate and ignorance. Then come back and tell us what you think.

        • Archie Bunker

          hahahaha

        • Jim_in_CO

          Kate, are you serious? Where is your evidence? Why would a demonic institution also be the biggest benefactor of the poor in the world? Your mind has been poisoned by men who are threatened by the first christian church.

          • Katherine McChesney

            Interesting that all the predominately Roman Catholic countries in the world are mired in corruption and poverty. Methinks that church causes poverty in order to control it’s people.

          • Crutch

            No. But idiots do. Please move before you affect the U.S. further!

          • KCGranny

            I think I see a nexus to the Democrat party. The Catholic church unwittingly sells socialism which has killed millions and kept people mired in poverty.

          • vharlow

            Uh, Having a look at the middle east….I’d have to challenge that theory.

          • Natalie

            No that would be what your President is now doing to the middle class and poor of this country. Wake up. PLEASE!!!

          • daveinlaurel

            Name me a country, catholic or not, that is corruption free.

        • vharlow

          I’m sorry I’m laughing so hard at that….since when is the world under the control of the church??? And what world?

        • Natalie

          Katherine-

          As a Roman Catholic I find your language and poor use of history sickening. You call yourself a Christian? Please stop referring to the Church as demonic and badgering our Popes. I don’t see you having the guts to call out Islamic religion. However,I suppose it’s open season on Catholics. I feel sorry for you. The Church has made mistakes, as had your Protestant churches. They are all composed of humans. Therefore, you will always have mistakes being made. I hope someday you find some sort of peace within yourself. At this point you seem very angry and most of all, poorly informed. The Catholic Church has done wonderful things for all people, including women. Obviously you are not concerned with the unborn women who will never have to chance at life. But that is today’s Democratic Women. So sad. Please inform yourself about the money-machine that is Planned Parenthood and how it is designed to kill minority children specifically. And if you continue to feel so drawn to the “cause” then I suggest working at an Abortion clinic and see your “truth.”

        • daveinlaurel

          A house divided against itself cannot stand. The “demonic” RC Church fighting demonic agendas? Ridiculous.

    • Flayer

      What makes Georgetown “Catholic,” I wonder?

  • SeanBusmc .

    wow, Good job Catholic Church. I always knew you were an evil bunch. Good luck explaining this to the God you believe in.

    • Katherine McChesney

      They don’t believe in God. They believe in idolatry and the Pope is their god.

      • L_Dave

        Wrong. And these guys at Georgetown are leftists, and “Catholic” in name only.

        • Katherine McChesney

          They’re Jesuits….a group of wicked men who are leftists and who were organized by Loyola to bring the world under the control of the demonic Roman Catholic church.

          • Engage Gray Matter

            Yeah, that’s it… The Roman Catholic Church seeks to dominate the world Katie. I don’t think so however. What are they going to do? Feed all of the hungry and poor so they can’t be dependent upon secular governments?

          • Katherine McChesney

            I got my information from books published by Loyola Press. And from a Catholic publication about the History of the Society of Jesus.

          • donobrien

            Name the books, Katherine. I want to read them. Do they really exist?

          • vharlow

            I gotta get out of here. Radical whackos – haters. LOL.

      • Jim_in_CO

        There you go again, Kate. (wake up and see for yourself)

      • Archie Bunker

        where did you get that?

        • Engage Gray Matter

          Indeed. Another agitator having little to no knowledge of the tenets of the faith.

      • Natalie

        Poor Katherine. You really know NOTHING about the Catholic Church. Please educate yourself and stop spreading this dishonest, offensive language about Christ’s Church. Maybe if you actually sat down with a Priest and asked questions about the teachings and practices of the Church you might find yourself enlightened.

        I am a Roman Catholic and I do not worship Idols or the Pope. Please educate yourself before you try to bash my Church. You do not hear me bashing your REformed church – do you? Please stop. Your words are hurtful, untrue, and filled with pure ignorance.

        Please know that Catholics DO believe in GOD, we DO NOT worship idols, and we DO NOT worship the Pope. A little Catholic History would go a long ways for you poor Katherine.

        I hope you find peace in your heart at some point. We Catholics think of Protestants as our Brothers and Sisters in Christ. You make a terrible example of Protestant faith. Pure Hatred is in your heart. So sad.

  • MerlinMedic

    What the …? Is Georgetown still run by the Jesuits or were they taken over? Time to yank their chain, Your Holiness.

    • llbee

      Long ago corrupted by fudge packing.

  • Kosh94

    Kinda reminds me of the way the catholic church turned their heads so they wouldn’t see the NAZI activities.

    • Katherine McChesney

      Actually, the funded the Nazi’s. Eugenio Pacelli was the puppetmaster of Hitler and the Holocaust. Karol Wojtyla sold the Farben gas used to murder the Jews.

      • donobrien

        As an amateur historian of this period, I have read just about every book on Eugenio Pacelli, Pope Pius XII. To say the Church funded Hitler, and Pacelli was his puppetmaster is the wildest, most distorted untruth that I have ever seen. What pamphlet did you read to come up with this whooper? You asked someone above to say what his country was. Tell us the source of these two assertions. Title, author, and chapter would allow us to find it on Amazon. Otherwise, stop your nonsense.

    • donobrien

      More Catholics died in the camps than Jews, 7 million plus the 6 million of the Jewish Holocaust. 13 million all told. They were human beings, too, including thousands of Catholic priests and bishops who opposed Hitler. The bulk were Polish. Your ignorance and prejudice are showing.

  • tham

    Private universities depend on donors. This falls into the donors’ laps.

  • Fr.Duffy Fighting 69th

    This is not news. Georgetown University ceased being a Catholic university decades ago.

  • Katherine McChesney

    True to form the Roman Catholic church is ‘all over the place’ with it’s views on morality. First they’re against it, they they promote it. This pagan religion is clearly the original Hegelian Dialectic. They, especially the Jesuits, manufacture the crisis, then they instigate the opposition, finally they provide the solution.

    The problem is that it’s is NOT a Christian religion but a large political body of feminized men in dresses who promote homosexuality, liberation of immoral behavior and redistribution of wealth. It is, quite simple, the enemy of people of all nations in it’s conquest to rule the world.

    • Carl Mertz

      Katherine,as most people who know you have said,you have spent to MANY YEAR’S with your head up your a ss to be trusted to make any common sense reply to anything. Once again Katherine you have NOT failed us. Go back up your a ss hole and leave us alone.

      • Katherine McChesney

        Foul mouthed aren’t you? I suppose that’s how your nuns and priests taught you to behave.

    • L_Dave

      The Church is not “all over the place”. Some of its 1 billion members are from time to time, as Paul said they would be.

    • Jim_in_CO

      Kate, you are really poisoned, misinformed and/or delusionally angry. Christians are asked to love their neighbor, eh? Forget that one?

      Roman Catholicism is a christian religion, period. It predated your brand of religion and existed before the New Testament existed. It is the church upon which the Lord placed God’s foundation (Peter). Remember him? First bishop of Rome? also a Martyr? Remember what the Lord said about Peter’s charge?

      The church fathers (today and before) are fallen men—stop fixating upon the sins of the clergy, because they are recognized as sinners like you. Luther recognized this in the end, but Swingli and Calvin demonized the clergy’s fallibility into manufactured evil. I guess you need to read up on early church and reformation history, don’t you, and to stop swallowing all of the misinformation you get from your own “fallen” preachers. Get started today, and it will quell your anger and phobias.

      • Katherine McChesney

        I’ve read SCORES of Catholic published books. And I’ve read the anti-Catholic history books. I’ve also read the books who are ‘in the middle’ about that demonic political power.

    • Archie Bunker

      you are so silly, and have obviously never stepped foot in a catholic church.

  • Walker

    I use to be avidly against abortion until I though about it and realized that only ones aborting are sick, liberal scum who’s babies would surely grow up to be criminals and parasites. Now I say let the idiots kill themselves off; it’s probably our only hope.

  • 1NonPermissive

    Fake Catholic college.

  • kenville

    A “love poem” to a minority-eugenics program like Planned Parenthood? SICK.

  • psadie

    I am a Catholic and if they do this my pastor and the Vatican will hear me! What the hell? Where are the Catholic values going? I will leave the church.

    • L_Dave

      Don’t leave the Church. We Catholics need to protect it from within against the forces of modernism and leftism.

      • Katherine McChesney

        Too late. The Jesuits control the RCC, furthermore, the black pope has more power than the white pope.

  • Musterer

    Curricular work will provide (1) an introduction to rulemaking and regulatory advocacy; (2) an introduction to the Affordable Care Act, insurance market reforms and how health care reform will affect women’s health; and (3) opportunities to read and analyze statutory language, proposed rules, public comments and final rules …

    Is this what passes for college curriculum these days? It sounds like a course designed to produce people that can do one of two things in life: Bureaucrat or Useless College Course Designer.

    Are students really fooled into thinking that this is a good and/or reasonable course? Even when I was younger I can’t imagine being this naive.

  • L_Dave

    There is a group of Georgetown alum working to either force the school to change, or to require it to stop claiming to be a Catholic university. May God bless them and their efforts.

  • calmvoice

    I wonder what the new Pope thinks about this.

    • Kage

      Pope Imposter I loves it.

    • Mark in St. Louis, MO

      Well, he did recently state that the Catholic Church should not be so focused on abortion and homosexuality/same-sex marriage!

      Just following orders I guess and ObamaCaid is the LAW OF THE LAND! One problem with that statement – Slavery was the LAW OF THE LAND at one time; Prohibition was the LAW OF THE LAND at one time. What happened to there!

      The LAW OF THE LAND can be challenged and changed when they are detrimental to the country. It is the Patriotic thing to do after all.

  • James V.

    Why do liberals celebrate the klilling of fetuses? Pure Despicable evil. It is time.

    • L_Dave

      It’s a Satanic cult, popular among statists.

    • Archie Bunker

      i do not live in the states. but in my country conservatives are fine with it. its only the slim far right religious that are against it.

      • James V.

        Then you live in an evil place. You either are for killing babies, or against.

        • Archie Bunker

          i live in the 21st century, and a country that runs 10x smoother then the states. we keep our personal opinions to ourselves and move on to other issues, since abortions are going nowhere anyhow.

          • Katherine McChesney

            I believe you are lying. Why are you hesitant to name your ‘country’? Wherever it is, your liberals are trying to destroy it. Again, the Jesuits are your puppetmasters.

          • Archie Bunker

            canada. and the meaning of ‘liberal’ or ‘conservative’ are not the same at all between our two countries. we left the abortion debate back in the 90′s, and are doing pretty good in comparison. most canadians that you would consider ‘liberal’ are fiscally conservative, such as myself.

          • Katherine McChesney

            Canada is controlled by the liberals. I have listened to a radio program in Toronto regarding your sick government. It’s as wicked as the U.S. administration of barack hussein obama. Yours has passed hate speech laws. Your rights are being taken from you quicker than those in the U.S. So don’t give me that ‘Canada runs smoother’ garbage as you know that is untrue.

          • Archie Bunker

            hahhaah. we have our problems, like every country. but yes, we run 100x smoother then the states. you listen to one radio djs opinion and thats how you base your argument on the country? give me a break. by the way, our government is a majority run conservative house, so any laws being passed are from them. what rights are being taken away faster then yours? the right to publicly say that gays should burn in hell? that is not a real right…..

          • Katherine McChesney

            This is a talk show famous around the world.

          • Archie Bunker

            thats your response? proves i am right….

          • donobrien

            The Right to Life.

          • Chris

            Katherine,

            Do you just hate everyone?

            Hate is a deal breaker with Our Lord. I don’t think Jesus will have a clue who are when your times comes. Maybe you should consider emulating Him and not just using His name to spread hate.

            Matthew 7:21-23

          • donobrien

            As an intelligent, well-informed conservative, I, too, deplore Obama’s policies that are wreaking destruction on this wonderful country. But ignorant, hate-filled bigots like you are a blessing for the Left, who make you a poster child for the tea party, the Christian Right, the Libertarians, the lovers of the Constitution, and all who oppose the socialist President Obama. You have no understanding of history: the Crusades, the Inquisition, the Reformation. You are a history illiterate. “Better to be quiet and appear a wise woman, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.’

          • donobrien

            If you had lived in Germany in the early 1930′s, would you have kept your “personal opinions” to yourself when the Nazis began attacking the Jews? Hitler made things run 10X smoother. Only a slim religious minority, Catholic and Protestant spoke against Him and many of those died in the death camps. Remember, 6 million Jews and 7 million others, largely Roman Catholic Poles as well as gypsies, the handicapped, and several hundred priests and bishops. Hitler said the Jews were not fully human. Today, the same is said about babies in the womb. Pro-Life people are also taxed to support abortion. Margaret Sanger wanted to limit the Negro/ Black population. She was much admired by the Nazis.

            By the way, am I the only one who knows that Catholic University is not Georgetown University? The Jesuits don’t run Catholic University, sorry Catherine, you can’t include them in your anti-Catholic screeds. Another time, perhaps.

      • raffer

        irrelevant really how many agree with it.

  • Lascenzo

    Please understand that ‘Catholic University’ in Washington DC sound a lot like the ‘Catholic University of America’ in Washington DC. CUA would never advocate a class like this and is very catholic. This article is talking about Georgetown University in DC.

  • Dewreck

    Apparently Georgetown is no longer a catholic college…..

  • Joshua B.

    Follow the money

  • johnTnash

    When I was in college 20 years ago at Loyola U of Chicago, my New Testament professor was a Catholic priest who made an argument that abortion could be acceptable. I was truly shocked. It really threw my compass off for a few years. I eventually concluded that he was probably a priest in vocation only.

    • johnTnash

      If I were to give him the benefit of the doubt, however, he may have been trying to provoke us into either giving a better answer as to why abortion was wrong, OR to help us to have compassion toward people who make mistakes, as we all do. Trouble is, he never resolved it, which made me think he really thought that it might be okay.

    • Katherine McChesney

      Soon they will lobby to have prostitution legalized. The Jesuits are a group of powerful homosexuals who are bent on controlling the world through the New World Order.

      • johnTnash

        Not sure I’d go that far, Katherine, but it definitely woke me up as to the spiritual state of some in the priesthood, which until then I had errantly held up as across-the-board super-human. It was true for Old Testament Jewish priests, as well. We all fall short in different ways.

  • formerusaf

    The College Fix Staff has made a mistake in the title of this article – should have been titled, “Anti-Catholic University To Teach Students How To Promote, Protect Obamacare-covered abortions.”

  • Jim_in_CO

    As a Catholic and a Lawyer, I must ask: What in the hail has happened to legal education. As a potential legal employer, I see absolutely no value in a student who doesn’t focus on the study of basic legal principles, procedures and precedent. This kind of law “course” is pure rubbish and the result of political infiltration into legal academia. Good grief, no wonder young lawyers really don’t know anything anymore.

  • TomfromWB

    Time for the “flip test”…. can you imagine the opposite?? … making pro-choice students participate in pro-life activities??? ….Me neither….

  • Ethan Clarke

    Like Pope Francis this university is Catholic in name only.

  • ahf

    I of course think that abortion is an abomination and hope it never happens again. But, at the same time I pray it is never criminalized in this country.
    America has 2.5 million citizens in prison at this time. This is cheered throughout the country because it shows we are “tough on crime”. Prosecutors all over the country are rewarded for “wins” when they should only be judged by their ability to find the truth. In fact they pile on charges to so threaten a defendant that (innocent or guilty) most will plea deal for a lighter sentence. It’s the legal equivalent of beating a confession out of a suspect but no Miranda law protects us from prosecutors.
    If outlawed a 14 year old girl having an abortion would be a murderess–southern states would want her executed. Her boyfriend would be an “accessory”–her parents could be charged with “aiding and abetting murder—etc etc etc. All easy “wins”
    Families would be destroyed–the private prison industry would flourish even more than it does now. If this were a “Catholic” country I think abortion could be made illegal but we’re not–we’re a pure “Calvinist” country—small vindictive smug people without charity so let’s try to stop abortion by teaching it is wrong-not by our usual police state tactics.

  • Mitchell

    So they are using religion to discrimiante againt women, some would say you are using women to discriminate against religion. Either way this is not a class to educate when it pushes a single sided agenda in what is blatantly an extracurricular activity.

  • Amy Thomas

    so????? Why does the Catholic Church not take steps to stop it? CLOSE the dam so called school down if they refuse to follow the religion.

    • Kathy Katie

      Follow the money. It’s the root of all evil and why the “Church” has sold it’s own soul and now supports the murder of innocents.

      • Amy Thomas

        Exactly, I had hoped the new POPE would send a strong message to the Catholic Church in the U.S. that this sell out would no longer be tolerated, but so far “silence”. Only the AMERICAN Catholic churches get away with this kind of bull, because of the money they collect in this country.

        • Katherine McChesney

          The White Pope is controlled by Adolfo Nicolas, the Jesuit Black Pope. He is just a puppet of the Society of Jesus. Remember that he, too, is, first and foremost, a Jesuit. You should read their Oath of Induction. It would enlighten you as to what this wicked group is about.

          • GoldenRudy

            So based on what you claim, all of the RCC world-wide is evil. You are aware there are others within the RCC that are not Jesuits?

          • Amy Thomas

            Haa, I hardly think the famous JEWISH family of the Rothschild would ever bow down to the Catholic religion or its so called black Pope which you describe.

            Second the remarks published “I furthermore promise and declare that I will, when opportunity present, make and wage relentless war, secretly or openly,against all heretics, Protestants and Liberals, as I am directed to do, to extirpate

            http://warningilluminati.wordpress.com/the-most-powerful-man-in-the-world-the-black-pope/

            If this is his purpose then he is losing the war. Protestants and Liberals survive and do well, proven by the liberal Congress we now have.!

            No doubt there is a One World Government but the most powerful, and rich run this agenda. President Ronald Reagan was never part of the One World Government.

            What this has to do with the so call mayor escapes me.

  • Tom_EE

    Heh, Pope Francis, get your head out of the sand!!!

  • fanniebell1958

    These Universities should simply NO LONGER BE denominated Catholic as they are in violation of its principle dogma which is LIFE.
    JESUS DEFEATED DEATH and will continue to do so in spite of Satan’s attacks through its arm on earth : liberalism.

  • Faithful_Watchman

    Evil has permeated throughout the church that will now infect the minds of it’s children. Satan has set had sights at destroying the roots of Christianity, now he is working on the young shoots of the tree.

    I ask in Jesus’ name to bind thee Satan and to cast you and your evil Progressives that will not repent, to be cast into the lake of fire.

    I pray that they do repent, for time draws near of His return.

    • another_engineer

      RCC has been progressive since Vatican II

      • Faithful_Watchman

        Yes it is true, but the willful perversion of young minds is damnable, and to sanction acceptable murder of the innocence, is unthinkable to God fearing Christians.

      • Katherine McChesney

        But it’s been pagan from it’s inception.

        • Faithful_Watchman

          Also true, but what Satan meant for evil God has meant for good. Yes, there is much within the church yet there is a true remnant of faithful believer’s that adhere to the Word of God in deeds and in Truth.

          Regardless of Satan’s intentions, God STILL sits on His Throne and will ALWAYS be Sovereign.

          • Katherine McChesney

            I believe there are people who call themselves Roman Catholic who actually worship the true Risen Jesus Christ and who follow the Bible rather than the trite writings of the RCC priests. They should come out of that church as it practices Babylonian paganism.

          • Faithful_Watchman

            God Bless you Katherine, for God knows your heart and will smile upon you when you meet. Go in peace.

          • GoldenRudy

            Now, here is the equivocation from the original slur.

        • TreeOfLifeSword

          When Jesus Christ established it, Kathleen?

        • Chris

          Katherine,
          Since there were no Protestant churches until Luther….who put together the Bible?

          Who decided that Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John was to be included along with I Peter, and Romans, Revelation, and every other book of the New Testament?

          Why wasn’t the Book of Judas included or the Book of Mary, or the dozens of other letters or books claiming to be inspired text?

          Who decided what books would be included and which ones would not?

          It couldn’t have been the Baptists, Methodist, Lutherans, or the Saddleback Church because they have only been around since the last 500 years (or much less)?

          Did the Bible only come into existence after Luther? Or was it around before the Reformation? If so who put it together?

          Did Jesus hand us a printed book as he was leaving?

          No, the Catholic Church was given the responsibility of determining the Canon. So, by your standards I guess the Bible is pagan since its canon was determined by “pagans”.

          Christ tells us that we will know someone by the fruits they produce.

          What kind of fruit is the Bible?

          • SamJubilee

            The Waldensians in the Italian alps, the Albigensians, or Cathars, in southern France, the Lollards in England, the Hussites in Czechoslovakia, were all pre-Luther “protestants” – and all were hunted down, slaughtered, etc. by the RCC.

            As for when the New Testament canon was determined, look at:

            II Peter 3:15-16 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
            As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

            The apostles Peter is already referring to Paul’s writings as scripture, during their lifetime. I think the early Chrisians were led by the Holy Spirit to recognize canon, long before the council of Nicea.

        • donobrien

          Pipe down! The adults are speaking!

  • RayUSA

    The leader of the Roman Catholic Church happens to be a Jesuit that
    teaches … in direct conflict with the Scriptures … “atheists, gays,
    etc.” are all heaven bound. It just so happens that a Jesuit college,
    Georgetown University, promotes an un-Scriptural position on abortion. Is it
    just me, or is there a pattern here?

    • Katherine McChesney

      They also support prostitution, pedophilia and homosexual behavior. Look at their history. Read their books, the older books from their publishers. They actually admit these things.

      • GoldenRudy

        Oh, they all did? Did not know that. All American men are rapists too, then. Got it.

    • GoldenRudy

      He said no such thing. Heaven is for all of us but our faith and the actions of our free will will ultimately determine the final judgement. Someone who is homosexual but does not act on his/her sexual desires is not guilty of sin for there is not act. That is what the Pope said, especially the very next day in a Rome newspaper the day after the interview in which the media jumped at his apparent endorsement of homosexuality.

      • RayUSA

        GoldenRudy:
        Thank you for the clarification. Perhaps you can shed some light on his reference to “atheists” going to heaven … and while you are at it, perhaps you can do so in light of what Christ Himself said in John 14:6
        “I am the way, the truth and the life. No man cometh unto the Father but by me.”

        • GoldenRudy

          My response was to your comment that inferred directly that the Pope said “”atheists, gays etc” are all heaven bound”. Could John 14:6 refer to people that freely chose to reject Jesus after being exposed to him and not those that are never made aware of Jesus, i.e., those in parts of the world that have never been exposed to The Truth? Maybe?

  • another_engineer

    Georgetown is JESUIT… nuff said

    • Katherine McChesney

      Amen. The military arm of the Vatican, organized by Ignatius Loyola to bring the world under control of the Roman Catholic Babylonian pagan political power.

      • TreeOfLifeSword

        LOL. Oh brother….

      • donobrien

        The Society of Jesus, called the Jesuits, were once the Pope’s men. They wanted to be missionaries to the Holy Land , but the Pope needed them to build universities and preach the Faith to win back lands from Protestant heresy. They obeyed.

        Since the sixties or seventies they have defied Popes and gone their own way. Well, not all Jesuits, but their Fathers General and a sizeable number of the members.

    • killerbeeeee

      So was Himmler…nuff said.

  • ondabus

    This aberrant institution should be stripped of its Catholic identity and this professor of the “culture of death” excommunicated. To allow this depraved institution to continue to call itself “Catholic” is an insult to decent moral Catholics.

    • donobrien

      Why do you assume the teacher is a Catholic? Many non-Catholics teach in Catholic Universities, even in the Theology Departments.

  • Midwestern Catholic

    Calling Pope Francis…now that you have addressed issue in Germany we have a perfect location for a new soup kitchen here in the States…

    • TreeOfLifeSword

      Good idea!

  • Paul Richard

    Murder knows no bounds of faith.

  • Rogue Cheddar

    WWJD? I could be wrong, but I believe he would not be teaching classes to promote abortion. But, hey, what do I know, I’m just a naked mole rat.

  • Stacey g

    that S!ut Sandra Fluke teaching the class…

  • Tom Patton

    You should have said in the headline that it’s “Georgetown” NOT Catholic University, another DC university that is NOT doing this. Very confusing and unfair

  • socon

    The left worships at the altar of abortion. They are the jackbooted thugs in the culture of death they have created.

  • Crutch

    Hey Georgetown, no more money from me-ever!

  • libertarianwoman

    Schools should stay out of politics and politics should stay out of schools.

    • GoldenRudy

      This is an issue of morality and doctrine of the RCC.

  • Central VA

    Will there also be a class about how to put old and useless folks into Death Panels?

  • Kathy Katie

    No more money for the Catholic Church. They are now a purely political entity. TAX THEM along with every other “supposed” church that claims exemption yet disregards tax law and prosthelytizes from the pulpit. As for me no more baptisms, Holy Communions, Confirmations, or marriages, and we will never go to church again. I’m done. Churches and organized religion are a “big business” sham. If I need to speak to God I can speak to Him whenever and wherever I want.

    • GoldenRudy

      Don’t punish those at the local parish level that are “keeping the faith” because of these intellectual (sic) apostates.

  • Al Linski

    It’s run by the US Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) who funded ACORN, fought for Obamacare, and demand amnesty for illegal aliens.
    Why should one be surprised?

    • teddie77

      I had a nun in high school once tell me that Catholism is the closest thing to communism you’ll ever see. I never forgot it. (My comments have nothing to do w/ God, I love God)

      • TreeOfLifeSword

        Perhaps the social ‘justice’ bunch but definitely not the faith.

      • GoldenRudy

        I believe she was referring to the monastic and or cloistered life of the RCC only.

      • donobrien

        Don’t confuse small c communism with the totalitarian, atheistic, despotic, murderous system of Russia, China, North Korea, Vietnam, Cuba, Nicaragua [under the Sandinistas], Cambodia, etc. More than 300 years ago Jesuits established a peaceful, Christian communist entity in Paraquay, South America, to teach farming and tradecraft to the native population and to protect them from exploitation. Maybe the nun knew about this, or was thinking of the early church.

  • Casey Brown-Myers

    Is this school tax exempt for being a Catholic school? If so, they need to lose their tax-exempt status because this is a politically motivated action.

  • chronovisor

    so when is the church/bishops going to grow a pair and a-take it’s “catholic” status away from georgetown or b-totally disassociate itself from the university?!?! this is the REAL reason church attendance is going down, the church has become pusallinimous/gutless/cowardly! for this lack of action the bishops will have to answer for

    • Katherine McChesney

      Too late. The Jesuits are in control of the RCC. The ‘White” pope is just a figurehead. A puppet of the Jesuits.

  • RenegadeScholar

    Excommunication, anyone? Please?

    • TreeOfLifeSword

      Expulsion, at the very least.

  • BrockLanders

    Thank you Georgetown….Love ya, Sandra Fluke

    • GoldenRudy

      Apparently by the large and costly amount of contraceptives used, Ms Fluke has many lovers. Get in line, please.

  • KCGranny

    I don’t know how much this university depends on contributions from Catholics and others. but if I were a donor I would stop all donation immediately,

  • Jpoint

    Another unfortunate example of the lack of leadership in the Catholic Church. Where are the US Bishops to stop this nonsense? Why on earth is an advocacy course considered education at all? Advocacy and education are mutually exclusive – one is the increase of knowledge based on facts, the other mere propaganda.

  • rennyangel2

    Where is the bd. of trustees?

  • Supreme Whitey

    Why is Gorgetown even considered a Catholic University?
    Look what goes on there and tell me how this is so.

  • jnsesq

    Remember: It’s not a baby — It’s a “Post-Partum Fetal Unit.”

  • hownow

    “Catholic” in name only – apparently – get your tuition refunded – false advertising

  • Rumpelstilskin

    What kind of affect will this have on parents who might want to send their children to this University? More importantly, will this have an effect on donations?

  • http://www.amazon.com/Chamois-Detailing-Absorbent-Microfiber-Guaranteed/dp/B00CNA2BV6 Microfiber

    I don’t think any practicing Catholics considers Georgetown to be Catholic. I don’t know why they promote themselves as such except to destroy the faith if their students. Run by the Jesuits. Hey, the new Pope is a Jesuit…may be will straighten them out.

  • xyz12345

    Good God Almighty! Oh, I guess they don’t think so anymore. How pathetically sad!

  • ocean

    The Supreme Court of the United States
    ruled a constitutional right to abortion.
    A constitutional right to kill a baby.
    Choice means to “Kill” or “Not to Kill” a baby.
    Planned Parenthood is the largest abortion
    provider in America. Its on your conscience.
    God help you.

  • Jim Rall

    This will not last at the Catholic Church WILL not stand for this… sit back and watch.

  • bill1942

    Excommunicate the lot of them.

    • regime.change.now

      too bad it’s not the 1500′s.

  • regime.change.now

    It’s not a “Catholic” college, any more than Nancy Pelosi, Ted Kennedy, Joe Biden, Kathleen Sebelius, or oh, so many others are “Catholic.”

  • disqus_6z6JUiFv94

    I wonder if the real reason for including pro-abortion language in Obamacare was to ultimately curtail and halt religious activity in schools such as this. Once alumni decide to stop donating, I imagine the school will fail and thus with it generations of Catholics will not be graduated. In essence, the libs can advance their agenda several ways via O-care. Ingenious, and despicable.

  • NJ Conservative

    So when did the Catholic Religion decide that murdering babies is OK? I must have missed that one.

  • Amos2

    “For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs
    and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.” Matt. 24:24

    • Wyrdless

      Give beer to those who are perishing, wine to those who are in anguish. – Proverbs 31:6

  • 3rdjerseyman

    Note, again the rampant use of euphemisms. All an intellectual smokescreen to divert our eyes from the truth, and, I think, to provide the advocates of destroying unborn children psychological distancing to mask their normal dread of infanticide.
    If Georgetown permits this, Georgetown should be forced to disassociate itself from the Church.
    Remember, Georgetown Law was the originating point for the Sandra Fluke hoax. Also, Georgetown is where the cross of Jesus was shrouded to not embarrass Mr. Obama.
    Abortion is a crime against nature. If there is no god. If all religious conviction is pure mythology, abortion remains a violation of natural law.

    • donobrien

      Thumbs up on your last paragraph. No decent atheist should condone abortions. Obama three times in the Illinois Senate led the fight for not giving aid to survivors of late term abortions. He debated a Catholic nurse who took a baby out of the garbage can and comforted for 30 minutes until he/she died. The Nazis invited a leading Planned Parethood/Margaret Sanger doctor to lecture in Germany in the thirties. They admired the American Progressives.

  • TreeOfLifeSword

    Georgetown has repeatedly proven – it is not a Catholic college. BTW, if women could meet their children before they offered them on the satanic altar of abortion, they would never choose death.

  • Texmom

    This doesn’t just undermine Catholicism, but all faiths. How can a University with its roots in Christianity get to this point? It makes a mockery of the Christian faith.

  • Marbran

    How convenient. The students (parents most likely) pay for the course, and the NWLC gets free volunteers to do it’s work.

  • ImJustAGuy

    I’m recalling the choice words Jesus had to and about the religious leaders of his day.

  • TominBroomall

    The church has lost its way. Allowing the university to remain catholic is just wrong. Allowing politician’s like Nancy Pelosi to receive communion is wrong – more so than the pedophile priest scandal. This is why many catholics have abandoned the church. Hate the sin, not the sinner does not translate into open disobedience of catholic dogma.

    • cabinboy422

      The Church has not lost its way – this university allowed itself to be led astray from the church.

  • Azlecitizen

    The Catholic church is one of the biggest “scams” that has ever been perpetrated on the ignorant masses. “Say ten Hail Mary’s and you’re forgiven”, yeah right. All the while your priest are molesting little children, with the knowledge of the higher ups. Religion my ass!

    • TreeOfLifeSword

      You’re ignorance is showing, dear.

      • Azlecitizen

        Thank you so much. If you, or anyone else considers worshiping the Catholic church as “intelligence, I would much prefer to remain ignorant!

  • RetiredArmyGuy

    This is in direct contravention of Canon Law, Vatican policy and the very essence of the Catholic faith.

    Wasn’t it bad enough that Georgetown covered up the holy crucifix to create a secular backdrop to appease the Obama administration during a public event?

    This institution should be purged from the Catholic community and its leadership Ex-Communicated.

  • Anthony

    The Vatican should not designate Georgetown as a Catholic University and Catholics should stop donating to so-called Universities until course teachings relate to Catholic doctrine.

  • Timmy K.

    I’ll never understand why Dems. love to snuff out the unborn. It is fascinating from a far and terrifying from up close.

    I’m torn on abortion as there are cases where I can see someone getting one, but Dems. seem to love it.

  • candys

    The Catholic Church has become a mouthpiece for Socialism/Communism and nothing more! Sad…………

    • donobrien

      Over the top.

  • Johnny

    That’s disgusting. Purely disgusting and I hope this private school losing all it’s funding.

  • spin43

    Fake Catholicks only concerned with total dollars. They lick the emperors boots.

  • Eddie

    “Staunch Catholics”? I believe Faithful Catholics is a more accurate description.

  • abbeyconway

    Well, they ain’t Catholic, that’s for sure. I suppose they can call themselves Catholic, but their actions say otherwise.

  • Sacred Baby

    Leave them alone … in the new dopes eyes, these are good catholic’s just following the lead of their new dope.

  • DaGeek

    Francis has been sent the Georgetown case. Let’s hope he steps up and tells his own order that their flagship U.S. university may no longer call itself “Catholic.”

  • Bama

    All the words, if you can’t stand up for what you believe, they mean nothing.

  • Churyl Minne

    Catholic bishops should be denouncing this…. Lack of leadership is what happens when a Cardinal gives his tacit blessing to these activities by attending the DNC.

    If “professor” Garcia wants to teach/discuss this topic, it should be at a secular or public university.

    I am particularly ashamed of Georgetown University since I was born in their Medical Center.

    • GoldenRudy

      Hey, Cardinal Dolan has to prepare his “humorous” remarks for the next Al Smith Diner where he wines and dines with political leaders that support abortion, even after a live birth!. He is way too busy to speak out on issues like this.

  • telman

    If they do I will leave the church.

    • GoldenRudy

      That is what “they” want. The Church is much more than a few, than many, apostates. I must admit, however, that I am getting close to your opinion.

  • CLEmom

    Is Sandra Fluke the teaching assistant?

  • DiscustedONE

    This University should lose it’s tax exempt status.
    It is not associated with the Christian
    faith. Rename it Planned Parenthood.

  • John McDonn

    Catholic Church has said abortion is a cardinal sin. For a university to promote that cardinal sin, how is that university still Catholic? Till the Catholic church starts to excommunicate and cut its ties to such things I do not give the Catholic Church much credence.

  • Trappedincalifornia

    Looks like the Catholic Church will be collapsing right along with the US economy. As a lapsed Catholic who is pro choice in 1st trimester I had come to respect the Catholic Church for having an unwavering sense of moral authority over a long period of time. That’s pretty much gone now.

    • sbozich

      You mean you’re pro-murder in the first 3 months of life.

      You’re not a lapsed Catholic; you’re still a statist.

    • fexl77

      you could still respect them, for evolving with the times, and discarding tenents about the sanctity of life which they no longer found convenient…just like you.

    • Corpseman57

      How about 1st trimester plus one day? Two?

    • GoldenRudy

      Re-read what you wrote and see if still makes sense. Can you really, really know when and what the 1st trimester is? “corpseman57′s” comment is spot on.

  • Corpseman57

    And how does the Pope feel about chopping up unborn babies? Will the course teach when the ability to feel pain begins in the unborn?

    And the Lord wept.

    • Dr. Sardonicus

      It’s not in the Bible but I like the old adage: “God sees the truth…but waits.” There’s gonna be hell to pay…..

  • sanirab

    Help!!! My religion is being taken over by Atheists.

  • Corpseman57

    Aborting future Catholics, one little baby at a time. Way to go!

  • Tim

    What does the Jesuit Pope have to say about this?

  • segeny

    But didn’t pope frankie scold us about ‘obsessing’ about abortions and homosexuality?

    So the kids aren’t ‘obsessing’, per frankie’s admonition. They’re being good little nazis, just following orders.

  • Corpseman57

    Do the U.S. taxpayers have to pay for the scissors they’re going to use to ram into the partially born baby’s neck?

  • daverg

    CINOs !!!!!!

  • mac1davis

    Remember the saying, “One day, Pharaoh forgot Joseph and what he did for Egypt.” Catholics have voted solidly left wing for decades…just pointing it out.

  • http://www.grizzlymom.com/ grizzlymom

    Perhaps parents paying their kids’ tuition should express their opposition to those thousands going toward nonsense like this. No wonder obamazombie college grads can’t find jobs (and indeed they deserve no jobs or sympathy). Just what skills are they likely to gain from indoctrination like this?

  • Red47

    It should not only upset Catholics, it should upset all humans.
    The Church should be more careful to guard their gates.

  • conmary

    It’s well past time that someone pull the plug on defining Georgetown as a Catholic university. Disgraceful!

  • BadWhisky

    So, the Catholics, after supporting the ACA are now prepared to sell their souls and abandon their principles? The end may be closer than I thought; for our country.

  • Phocus Please

    The Bing Bishop is gone, Georgetown should be next.

    • donobrien

      Bling

  • Angel

    Georgetown is Catholic in name only. Like the rinos. Rome should pull the plug on this disgrace!

  • amitorelocato

    Socialism and real Christianity does not mix.

  • Kevin Williams

    Would you expect anything else but this BS from a bunch of child molesters anyway
    Chester the molesters must kill their mistakes too
    its their right you know

  • Red_Ruffansore

    abort that school, it has become an abomination. Kelli Garcia is a moonbat and if she wants to have her altar serviced with a vacuum and a salad fork, that’s her choice, just not under the umbrella of the Catholic Church you thick skulled libtards.

  • Indymaverick

    This so called University should not be tax exempt.

  • MarkJ

    This boneheaded move by Georgetown is akin to Yeshiva University creating a distinguished professor position named after Dr. Josef Mengele.

  • Slugger_McBuster

    And as usual there will be crickets and no action from Catholic officials. The Pope will be busy gesturing and posturing and spouting lukewarm platitudes and generalities about the malaise afflicting mankind’s “collective spirit.”

    • GoldenRudy

      Sadly, I have to agree until you (and me) are proven wrong.

    • donobrien

      Give him a chance. We’ll see. Rome moves slowly for American tastes, but write to your bishop and ask to be informed about what action is being taken.

  • Joseph

    Excommunicate the president of the university, your Holiness and send a message across the universe that Catholics respect all life.

  • Bill_S

    I would suggest that the entire faculty of Georgetown be placed under the interdict.

    • Joseph

      I can’t argue that.

  • pvbeachbum1

    I wonder how the fundrai$ing is going from alumni’s who think that Georgetown has lost it’s way.

  • Really

    The Church should strip Georgetown of it “Catholic” and Jesuit identity.

  • M75462

    Has the Jesuit Pope been informed? Unlike the Black Prizzy was not informed of …anything. Plausible deniability and all….. Right Valerie???

  • Cecillia

    The subsequent course is entitled:
    “We Don’t Need No Stinking Sixth Commandment.”

  • frank

    Sometimes I wonder about Georgetown U. The most famous exorcism of all time took place nearby, and although it was a successful exorcism, I still wonder where that demon fled to after leaving that young boy. Sound like it may have set up camp at Georgetown University.

    • Cecillia

      Most likely, as an Admissions Counselor.

  • jenkem5

    This will not stand. The Pope is on it. The University will have to lose it’s Catholic Charter. Abortion is Satan’s work.

    • Wyrdless

      Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces.

      – Malachi 2:3

    • snapperman

      I’d think Francis would find this at least as immoral as the bling flaunted by the German bishop.

  • RegularRon

    Non-Catholics commenting on a Catholic story? How American!

    • ItWasAboutTime

      You do not have to be of a particular faith to be offended by someone not upholding the tenants of that particular faith and yet identifying with that faith.

      • RegularRon

        Well, I find it offensive. Especially, NON-Catholics saying they know Catholic Tenants. I’ve been all in favor of stripping this secular college of it’s Roman Catholic moniker since GW Bush spoke. I went to Catholic U down the street, because I found Georgetown to be infected by Judaism secularism. BUT, being a Catholic I who’s actual faith this concerns, I find it offensive when someone who isn’t of my faith thinks it’s a-okay to comment on my faith..

        • UnderGodNotGovt

          Wow. Do you believe no one should express an opinion unless they are directly involved in the situation? You would silence most of what is left of conversation in this country.

          • RegularRon

            Why does that bother you?

        • ItWasAboutTime

          I was not raised a Catholic, but my husband was. All 6 of his other siblings are still of the Catholic faith. He chose to follow my protestant faith after much consideration. I feel perfectly qualified and competent to speak on the subject. FREE SPEECH!

          • RegularRon

            And that makes you qualified, how?

          • RegularRon

            And you would know, Ms. Catholic Theoligian, that Holy Mother Church doesn’t really believe in “Free Speech”..But keep on spewing your Heretical nonsense.

          • ItWasAboutTime

            Quite the nasty person you seem to be. Have a good day and my God Bless You with a bit more skill in the area neighborly/brotherly love. :)

  • frankz00

    Catholics get a bad rap from other Christians as it is and now this?

  • ItWasAboutTime

    I’m not even Catholic and I’m offended by the University and it should be stripped of any Catholic affiliation.

  • sharethetruth

    How ironic that a co-founder of NARAL, the late Dr. Bernard Nathanson, eventually embraced the pro-life cause and the Catholic faith.

    • pat roberts

      And the woman in the case of Roe v. Wade who sought an abortion also became staunchly pro-life. However, for some reason these people are ignored by the media. Only their earlier pro-abortion positions are remembered. Nothing is said about their ‘conversion’. Tells you something about what the media values.

  • HalfMoments

    Appalling. In what should be a place of moral teaching, we find support/conspiracy for murder.

  • Corbin Corners

    Has life no value?

    • pat roberts

      Not to a liberal.

  • pat roberts

    Garcia is your last name? I guess that’s one more reason we shouldn’t be granting amnesty to 30 million illegal Mexicans. There are too many liberals in this country already.

  • savagenation

    Maybe there is something to Natural Selection and Survival of the Fittest.
    Liberals always want to euthanize/abort themselves out of existence.

  • 125885

    Wow, need to remove Catholic from the name there. Seems to be they lost their religion.

  • Budda Blanco

    The progressive GU president must go- it’s that simple. Coll’76 GL’84

  • wow

    Why doesn’t Georgetown just go all the way and open up the first Catholic abortion clinic? I’m sure Pope Francis will sign off on them given his recent comments on abortion. We’ll have to wait to hear what he has to say until after he’s done celebrating reaching 10 million followers on twitter. Who knows, opening up a Catholic abortion clinic might get him another 10 million followers on twitter! OMG! hashtag!
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/27/pope-francis-twitter-followers-vatican-10m

  • http://www.facebook.com/alvin.wesley.54 redrod

    Why am I no longer a Catholic? A decade of “social justice” and “fair share”. Now this. What do you people stand for?? Much like the rest of the government grovelers, just in it for the money. Not me! No more! Get some of the freeloaders and socialists in the congelation to feed themselves and take care of their children who will always live in poverty in order to keep them for yourselves..

  • jamesben

    You can be Catholic, and you can be a PRO-DEATH “PROGRESSIVE” – but you can’t be both – simultaneously – period.

    • Juan Outtamany

      what if you just mind your own business and not tell sinners how to ruin their lives?

      • jamesben

        Well, I would – but this is a PERFECTLY CLEAR tenet of the Church, and furthermore – the issue involves abortion – and someone has to ACT & SPEAK for those who can’t speak themselves.

  • Kathleen3

    There is nothing more repugnant than hiding behind the mantle of God or religion in order to achieve sinister goals. The Catholic Church is repugnant.

    • Michael Chandler

      True, but not all religions are used to accomplish evils. Can’t generalize that because Catholicism is about love, not using other people.

    • Anthony

      Please go drown yourself, hey you will appease Al Gore and Obama your one true gods by thinning out the numbers.

    • UnderGodNotGovt

      What is sinister about protecting the unborn? You have a twisted mentality. Freedom of choice is the freedom to choose not to engage in behavior that leads to unwanted pregnancy – not the freedom to kill the innocent life your behavior has created.

  • Anthony

    “Obama has declared open war on Catholics”, should have been the headline of this article! This is the most disgusting, and intentionally seditious act this administration has ever engaged in. We as Catholics must rise up, and inform all our churches across the United States that this will not stand. This is unacceptable and Obama has clearly violated the separation of church and state, and our freedom of religion.

    • UnderGodNotGovt

      I’m a Baptist – you have my full support.

  • Michael Chandler

    Wolves among sheep. *sigh* It’s time the students rose up and told the university to get in line with Roman Catholicism or else. The diocese’s bishop can say so, but it’s more effective when the sheep speak!

    • Juan Outtamany

      They don’t care what the church says or does. These are college students

      • Michael Chandler

        If their parents failed to teach them that, they would be responsible for the harm done. Selfishness across generations causes a lot of misery. If your parents had been selfish jerks and aborted you, the good you did for other people wouldn’t have happened.

        Deliberate absence of good is an evil in itself. I fear these “students” have no idea what’s become of them.

  • fl1014

    just another example , of those utilizing a name / word for a description of themselves having very little to do with what they actually are …………………..

  • Juan Outtamany

    It usually just kills liberals and their pets and thereby reduces crime rates.

  • Restoration1958

    “Oh, here we go again. Faithful Roman Catholics and their small-minded obsessions.” /s/ Pope Francis
    Which is another way of saying, Is anybody really surprised?

  • mikemoair2

    they don’t get any of my money

  • mikemoair2

    if the church wont stand up for itself, why should I?

  • Rev. Ken

    Sad, sad, sad…………then they wonder why Church attendance is down, people leaving in droves. Seems like everything that we have been taught to believe is now either “off the table” or optional. What is next? Belief in the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist?

    • GoldenRudy

      BTW. There was a show on PBS, way back in the 1970s, which was about the last vestige in the RCC, a monastery in Ireland, where they “still” believed in the “Real Presence”. Only on once, but prescient.

  • gts58

    Abortion is not part of Catholic Doctrine – period!

    • GoldenRudy

      Abortion is intrinsically evil per Catholic Doctrine.

      • gts58

        Agree, and why is it so-called Catholic politicians like Nancy Pelosi and many other Catholic Democrats are permitted to receive communion when they support abortion on demand. I think John Kerry is among that ilk also. If they fund abortion, the Church should give them only one chance to stand up for the unborn – otherwise, they are out!

        • GoldenRudy

          There is no excuse (in my book) for a priest to offer Holy Communion to someone he knowingly knows is guilty of “mortal” sin, e.e., aiding and/or supporting abortion. I think it is more to do about the American Catholic “Church of Nice” senior leadership not wanting “to offend” and not defending the Word of God that has diminished the role of the Church in American daily life. Example: local Knights of Columbus hall here was recently the site of a victory celebration of a Democrat politician who is an outspoken supported of abortion.

  • JWKDK

    Professor Kelli Garcia must put being a woman ahead of being a catholic. She should be fired for ignoring church doctrine.

  • mikemoair2

    Sandra fluke, free contraception, the war on women

  • mikemoair2

    17+ trillion in debt, party

  • mikemoair2

    but lou reed has died?

  • UnderGodNotGovt

    Apostasy in the end time. Just as it is written.

    • Guest

      2 Timothy 3: 1-10

  • mikemoair2

    ride the howard stern sybian

  • mikemoair2

    jesus died on the cross for abortion rights

    • GoldenRudy

      What a despicable thing to say and to write.

  • daveinlaurel

    The only thing i could think of was to tweet the Pope. That and prayer might do something about it.

  • mikemoair2

    ROLL TIDE

  • Botzilla

    And the Catholic church will say nothing as per usual.

  • mikemoair2

    promote STD’s

  • mikemoair2

    what does weed sell for there?

  • John Galt

    Congress shall make no law.
    I wish that was the whole amendment.

  • larsinkima

    And the church rots from within, just like the government. What Would Satan Do?

  • Bass

    Oh, good, they brought in Dolores Umbridge!

  • daveinlaurel

    Blacks didn’t choose slavery
    Jews didn’t choose genocide.
    Babies don’t choose abortion.
    Everyone gets a choice but the victim

    Maybe they can teach THAT at Georgetown. As one who is Jesuit educated, I’m ashamed of them.

  • Rev. Ken

    As an fyi, watch the early 1970′s movie “Catholics”……A lot in there is what we are now going through

  • enos33

    It’s NOT a Catholic university. It’s the devil’s spawn.

  • mikemoair2

    ive been having really good bowel movements lately, double flushers man

  • mikemoair2

    is it wrong to call the Obama children the brown sugars?

  • HauteJuju

    Wait until Georgetown’s Saudi funded Islamic Studies group, they will get this fixed.

  • Kneeda Nuleeda

    So…where is the Vatican on this?

  • mikemoair2

    but do they support the redskins?

  • Jeffrey Tatum

    This is not a catholic university then.

  • Bobnews

    Supporting life has nothing to do with “staunch Catholics” it is about Gods gift of life that must be protected. If the Catholic Church truly follows the word of God, the Church will end all association with this Communist bastion of anti American Atheists and other extreme left wingers. Either support life and the teachings of God or close the Church.

  • mikemoair2

    are the pro-blumpkin pies too?

  • Bernie Blasnalus

    Georgetown University seems to be about as traditionaly Catholic as Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi, and Kathleen Sebelius…with respect to Church Docrine on life, and abortion.

  • wow

    Why doesn’t Georgetown just go all the way and open up the first Catholic abortion clinic? It would really show the world that the Catholic church has turned over a new leaf! We’re not going to let our silly, outdated beliefs get in the way of progress anymore! I’m sure Pope Francis will sign off on it given his recent comments about abortion and the church. We’ll have to wait to hear his thoughts on it until after he’s done celebrating 10 million followers on twitter. Who knows, opening up the first catholic abortion clinic might get him another 10 million twitter followers which, as we know, are FAR more important than actual practicing Catholic followers! OMG! Hashtag!

  • mikemoair2

    what have the romans ever done for us?

  • BluudthirstyDwarfYEZHOV

    Should just re-name all these so-called “Catholic” & other Universities===>> COMMUNIST U….That’s all they are anyways now. They are all a mirror of Berkeley & other Commie Universities.

  • Curmudgeon10

    Do real Catholic alumni of these two places actually continue to give them money?

  • Obama_Dogeater

    Good ole Georgetown…the university that covered Christ on a cross with a veil for 0bama’s speech in 2008. Yes, I remember it well.

  • mikemoair2

    I like the brunette in the unrated version of that blurred lines video best, meow

  • NoParty

    When Georgetown let Obama cover IHS, the intials on Christ’s cross, when they gave a scholarship to Sandra Fluke and taught her to become an pseudo-elitist lawyer intending to harm the Catholic religion, they clearly forgot who they worked for, and to whom they owed reverence. They seem to revere the rabidly pro-abortion Democratic Party… they are the new money changers. I always thought God rued the day he allowed Jesuits to get a toe hold on Catholicism… Notre Dame had Obama the most pro partial abortion politician in the world give a graduation speech back in ’08, now I can’t wait to hear what Notre Dame does to top Georgetown in blasphemy. It may be a contest to see which of these schools put a planned parenthood clinic on their grounds.

  • Bobnews

    Does anyone know how to send this article to the Pope? He should act or step down.

  • GoldenRudy

    Let’s stop lying to both Catholics and non-Catholics alike. Georgetown University (GU) is NOT a Catholic institution. People that are supposed to be seeking the truth should refer to GU only as a “former” Catholic school. Is similar to telling people you are selling them a Chevy when in fact it is a Yugo.

  • Cephas33

    Jesuits, and now one is the Pope.

  • Denny

    What has happened to the Catholic church? These anti-Catholic-Catholic universities make the religion look like a frigging joke. Who the hell is in charge, anyway?

  • Rose

    You Catholics must be all nuts.

    • Denny

      Says the devil loving democrat.

    • Rogue Cheddar

      When you paint with such a broad brush you’re bound to get some goop on you. Just sayin is all.

      • Rose

        Catholic baby killers. Is this what you want to be known as?

        • GoldenRudy

          ???

        • Rogue Cheddar

          Indeed not, but you should not rush to judgement just because the liberal media likes to juxtapose a university class on abortion as being of or endorsed by the Catholic Church. It makes you look foolish.

    • http://disqus.com/WilderNapalm/ Wilder Napalm

      Moron………..

    • Guest

      Says Rose-a Luxemburg

  • B662

    Sounds like Sandra Fluke should be teaching this. Will they be offering the interpretation of life based on the teachings of St Augustine? The real teachings of St Augustine’s not the fabricated ones by Nancy Pelosi. The Jesuits continue to show their real colors in the US. This course and allowing Obama to speak at Notre Dame.

  • Rogue Cheddar

    Didn’t Kermit Gosnell go here?

  • Redskinsfan2

    The Preppie Handbook decades ago pegged Georgetown correctly: Used to be Catholic. At that time, it was funny. Now it’s just sickening.

  • http://www.stopthepirates.blogspot.com/ Jeff Anderson

    pope on a rope

  • federaljackbootskissourass

    Would Jesus Christ approve of Abortion???? If yes send me a prayer request cause I don’t think he would…..

  • rocky

    Atheistic-Communist Bolsheviks come in all guises. And yes, I am Roman Catholic. However, I have a step up on the majority of Americans when it comes to Atheist-Communist Bolshevism. I am of Cossack Blood and my Grand Parents were Russian Orthodox Christian and Lenin sent his Bolsheviks to try and murder them. Do not forget that Wall Street along with a few others put Lenin in power to give the World Atheist-Communist Soviet Russia. They also put Hitler in power giving the World Nazi Germany. Do your research as to what Global bank was set up to launder the Nazi profits.
    You will not like the answers you find. You will not like the fact that you have been fed lies by your own government to cover up for themselves.

    • Guest

      Yes, it was Jacob Schiff of Kuhn, Loeb & Co., that paid for & sent Leon Trotsky from NYC to Russia, along with Vladimir Lenin & Josef Stalin to commit the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917. They also had the YEVSEKTSIYA that forced Jews to become International Communists (Leon Trotsky) & help Destroy Religion in USSR, burning & destroying all Churches & Synagogues. Look up Bolsheviks in Russia on IMAGES on a Search Engine. It exposes WHO did that to your Family Members.
      Let’s also not forget the NKVD & CHEKA & who they were made up of during the HOLODOMOR.

  • chankermechanicFMF2nd

    Guess we can change that Bible, once again for personal gain.

  • JoeNJ8

    So where is the Vatican and the US clergy hiding?

  • Obumma

    What do you expect from molesters!

    • Guest

      What do you expect from the Bolshevik Trotskyite Noel Ignatiev Rosa Luxemburg Emma Goldman Gramsci Leninist Marxists? They run & own everything now.

      • GoldenRudy

        You left out, Obamanites and Democrats.

  • nearboston

    Wonder what the new Pope has to say about this.

  • scumby

    professor slut, I mean Fluke to teach it

  • http://onfollowingchrist.wordpress.com Paul B.

    Georgetown – home of sandra fluke.

  • http://sskotb.blogspot.com/ Steve Savage

    Catholics are being asked to suspend their intelligence and to accept what they see before them as a natural spiritual progression, doctrinal evolvement, and welcome changes in a Church they believe to be the same Catholic Church it has always been.

    Pope Paul VI remarked before his death, that the “Smoke of Satan has infiltrated the Vatican.”

    Every Catholic should ask him or herself if this is the same Church of their fathers and mothers when it was safe to send your children to a Confessional that didn’t have a door that locked from the inside. Is it any wonder that parents everywhere are crying out, “Come out from her my children!”

    Steve Savage “King of the Beasts”

  • Revenant

    I am a Georgetown alumn and I have no clue what the leadership of my alma mater is doing with this. I graduated in 2003 and there was an uproar over attempts to distribute free condoms on campus in spite of the Church’s teachings against contraception. Clearly, this goes far beyond something like that, this is a violation of one of the most crucial teachings of the Church. If Georgetown is really going to proceed with “abortion education” on its grounds — and it’s looking like it’s doing so — it’s going to get its Catholic status taken away by the Vatican. This strikes me as sheer madness.

  • beyond partisan

    This is simply inappropriate and a conflict of interest. Would the left let a university offer a class advocating for a pro-life organization? No, it would not. The hubris of the so-called “professor” and the dereliction by the university itself is absolutely shocking. And I am not Catholic.

  • mikemoair2

    man, this has been one wacky world series man

  • mikemoair2

    so the muslims have a new target to fly a 767 into, let’s hope they have ambition

  • elmccl

    Yes ma’am, I’m staunch. There can be no playing the devil’s advocate. The souls of these students are in peril as they do not either understand or are ignorant of what the Faith upholds. You can’t be pro-abortion and Catholic. This will give you a ticket to where it is unbelievably hot.

    • elmccl

      My new word for the day: fecundaphobia, fear of bearing children. They should teach a class on that term.

  • mikemoair2

    back in his days, bill Clinton WAS the naked runner, its true baby

  • mikemoair2

    Obama can sing “if I didn’t know” its his only card

  • mikemoair2

    do you think the chicks there sport those monster Woodstock bushes?

  • mikemoair2

    where is the missing girl from the obamacare site? is she alive? has she been aborted?

  • mikemoair2

    how can abortion be so right, but saying “hey it stops minorities” is wrong?

  • mikemoair2

    im glad savage is moving to drive time, I grew tired of Hannity “coming up next, BUT FIRST”

  • Chris_98

    This is outrageous! Yet, typical of things in Obama’s America. They will not rest until we have abortion-on-demand. Abortion is one of the gravest sins…yet these liberals go on and on murdering babies. Sick. They’ll pay the ultimate price.

    A shout out to headlinedigest.com for linking me here.

  • mikemoair2

    do you miss the days of stained dresses?

  • mikemoair2

    if the check clears let the student in, its all about the money baby, has the church forgot the eye of the needle? oh, that only applies to YOU!!!! blah ha ha ha

  • Bob White

    The real goal is to kill us white folks off. At least the few of us who still believe in God, Guns, Heterosexuality,Children, etc. They want a world of mexican immigrant peons who are much easier to control and far less spoiled than us. Abortion is part of Agenda 21.

  • mewp12

    Has anyone told the Pope?

    • Bob White

      He is busy forgiving homos.

      • mikemoair2

        true!!!!

      • GoldenRudy

        Re: your comment. The Pope gave an interview the very next day to a paper in Rome regarding homosexuality. He clearly stated RCC teachings that a homo without acting out his/her sexual desires is not sinful unto him/self. It i the “act” that is sinful, not the person. The main stream (pro-homosexual) media did not report that interview … for obvious reasons.

    • Chris_98

      He won’t care. He’s probably pro-abortion.

  • Gmama

    It is sad that Catholic institutions refuse to remain Catholic. There are thousands of secular colleges and Universities, Kelli Garcia should teach elsewhere. The left has to impose its will on everyone. Non coverage of abortion discriminates against no one. Women are still free to kill their babies, they just need to pay for it themselves.

    • JoeNJ8

      Does $$$$$$$ mean anything?
      How does Georgetown stay in business?

  • mikemoair2

    ted kennedy killed more people with his car, than my gun has

  • mikemoair2

    during an abortion does the baby’s head move back and to the left? JFK your thoughts

    • Bob White

      Morbidly hilarious !

  • Lil

    Georgetown U. is not a Catholic University. They are owned by the Saudis.

    • Bob White

      Georgetown University is a private research university in Washington, D.C. Founded in 1789, it is the oldest Jesuit and Catholic university in the United States. Georgetown’s main campus, located in Washington’s Georgetown neighborhood, is noted for Healy Hall, a National Historic Landmark in the Romanesque revival style. Georgetown operates a law center on Capitol Hill and auxiliary campuses in Italy, Turkey, and Qatar.

      • mikemoair2

        and its the place that bill Clinton WAS the naked runner, anytime the cash got low, he would run “the naked runner is about to run”

      • Lil

        Thanks for the history lesson!!! Just a few words: the Prince Alweed Bin Talal Center at Georgetown.

  • onacleardayyoucanseeforever

    From the Catholic University website:
    “Spiritual formation and faith development at the Catholic University of
    America is committed to helping students appropriate an adult
    spirituality and a deeper knowledge of Church teaching.”

    - To advance the Obama agenda requires a little lie or two.

    • flourgiggy

      Onaclearday — What is the matter with your reading comprehension? Do you only read headlines?

      Obviously, this headline is inaccurate and misleading. The school they are talking about is Georgetown University, and has long since ceased to be a “Catholic” university.

  • Tom Abbett

    What’s new here ? Nothing but child sacrifices at the Alter of Democratic Policy.

  • MICHAELNOC

    “Catholic” university?

    BULL!

  • mikemoair2

    too bad we can’t buy danny rolling a bus ticket for there

  • Bob White

    You shall not give any of your children to offer them to Molech, and so profane the name of your God: I am the Lord.
    Leviticus 18:21

    • mikemoair2

      the eye of the needle, but what does tuition cost there? and everything is 200 years old? is it not paid off?

  • mikemoair2

    man, they have never had a #1 football team, ROLL TIDE

  • mikemoair2

    what is this schools endowment, how much does it earn every year and is not taxed? huh

  • Anna Hall Bohach

    The problem with the Catholic Church is the same as the problem with the United States of America: they both welcome with open arms those who openly vow to destroy them from within.

  • Abbie

    Fake “Catholic” University. Alumni: Stop donating to this abomination. Disgusting!!!!

  • mikemoair2

    if Michael skakel wasnt represented properly, who is sitting in jail that was?

  • JBlack

    Fake Catholic College – don’t send you kids there if you desire a true christian education!

  • mikemoair2

    the eye of the needle, now what does tuition cost there?

  • http://johngaltreport.blogspot.com/ John Galt Report

    CUINO!

  • Thomas_More

    Catholic U (as several other similar institutions) ceased being “Catholic” a long time ago. Excommunicate them all!

  • john king

    What’s next??? Yeshiva U teaching al-Qaeda treatises????

  • meg

    Georgetown, and other Catholic colleges, do all sorts of disgusting things — and Catholic parents STILL send their kids to these schools.
    My son got into Georgetown Law, but, as Catholic parents, we strongly advised that he turn to one of his other choices. And he did so.
    And every time we hear about another disgusting event/program at a Catholic college, we voice our complaints to the college president. Until parents do likewise- en masse– the schools will continue with their reprehensible agenda.

  • jot

    can you say “going out of business” for this school.

  • Kepha

    G-town hasn’t been a Catholic university for a long time.

  • troubled soul

    When these lovely people go on MSNBC to discuss how proud of themselves they are they need to wear dead fetuses from their ears instead of tampons. This is no Catholic University.

  • FTN

    Catholic? Not any more. Satan is clearly in charge…

  • MakingSense

    GT has long been a radical, rogue university run by liberal Jesuits. Since the Pope is also a Jesuit, don’t expect him to do anything.

  • jasonburnstein

    “Professor” Kelli Garcia, may you burn in hell !

  • relbmar16

    I wish the media would stop calling George Town a Catholic University. It’s not been one for years. For many years. It may once upon a time been a Catholic University, but it’s nothing like that now.

  • roy

    catholic u’s nutty teachings!!!!

  • Theresa Abellon

    You need to change the name of the heading as it is deceptive. There are 2 Catholic universities in DC: 1) Georgetown and 2) the Catholic University of America or Catholic University, so this can be confused. Please change this ASAP.

  • judithod

    Both Georgetown and Notre Dame relinquished any pretense of being Catholic universities years ago. Instead, they believe in “social justice,” a synonym for “progressive.”

  • joepars

    Where’s the Pope when you need him. This would be a joke if it weren’t true. Sad!

  • meadowlands

    Cardinal Wuerl you have an obligation as a leader of the church to do something about this.

  • meadowlands

    The parishes that have divinity students should pull them out of CU. If the bishops don’t then they are approving abortion and should be excommunicated

  • JoeNJ8

    Money talks, BS walks.

  • M75462

    There is a Catholic University in DC, named Catholic University of America. Not to be confused with the Jesuit school known as Georgetown, home to Bill Clinton, Patrick Ewing and Sandra Fluke, rhymes with…..puck. I wonder if the Pope approves of this…. Now if it were a class on how to use a condom for gay man love, then one would not have to wonder.

    Your headline is confusing the low information crowd. They should send their SAT scores to Georgetown….

  • FL_Stingray

    I see this as a grievous breach of church doctrine
    Is this what we are to expect from a Catholic university?

    How dare they and then go on to say they are good Catholics.

    • flourgiggy

      I doubt they say they are “good Catholics.” They simply do not care and enjoy thumbing their nose at the church.

  • OldmanRick

    Georgetown university is about as Catholic as the narcissistic, divisive, disingenuous, mean spirited, spiteful, Marxist brat currently residing at the witless house.

  • The doctor is in…competent.

    Marxist creep has turned into Marxist steamroller.

    • Baroke Owebama

      I’m reminded of the old rhetorical question and answer:

      Q: Why does a dog lick his balls?

      A: Because he can,

      CU is a pontifical university, meaning that it was founded by the bishops of the United States upon approval by Pope Leo XIII. If the Church fathers actually possessed a single pair of testicles between the lot of them, they’d excommunicate every last person in the administration of CU, and every faculty member in that department for good measure. But they don’t, so they won’t.

      For another thing: It just occurred to me that neo-Marxism didn’t start becoming a problem until after Blessed Pope John Paul II’s death in 2005. Coincidence, or something more at play? You be the judge…

      • flourgiggy

        Baroke – Aside from your comment being vulgar, you are displaying your deficiency at reading comprehension. Or do you only read headlines?

        The university the article cites is Georgetown University, NOT Catholic University.

        As the dear Sisters used to say, “Empty barrels make the most noise.” If you don’t know what you’re talking about, close your mouth and stop embarrassing ourself.

      • The doctor is in…competent.

        “Because the Church lets them.”
        That’s always the case with bullies, in my experience.

  • Viator16

    This is typical of the members of the Roman Catholic Church. The vast majority of Roman Catholics are cafeteria Catholics. They pick and choose what part of Catholicism they like.

  • walter12

    Catholic University is not Catholic anymore. It has become a cesspool of communists, radicals, Marxists, Abortionists, Homosexual lobby, Obamanites, deviates, and on and on. The nation is rapidly going down the toilet.

    • BachHoliday

      no. it is already there.

  • Jason

    Since when does the Church endorse abortion?

  • Wild Hog

    Two issues: one, it’s a university in the US. And two, it’s in DC. What do expect?

  • AmericanMan2012

    This is insane delusion! Really sick. You don’t see women’s rights in the 10 commandments, just Thou shall not Kill. This University is the University of Lucsifer!
    Write to Pope Francis , put this evil down.

  • Brandon E

    The entire Catholic organization is a bit of a JOKE! They claim that the pope is a special vicar (representative) of Christ on earth. Christ never said he would send a man to be his representative but the Holy Spirit. Catholics also have confessions where they confess their sins to the priest/father and ask for ‘forgiveness’. Only Christ who sacrificed his innocent blood for our sinful nature can ever forgive us for our sins through faith and obedience to him and his teachings. As if the homosexuality and child molestation weren’t enough. Now we have this. If you are Catholic and are looking for true salvation you should try more studying of the word and more praying to God to guide you in the right direction and away from DECEPTION of a FALSE Doctrine.

    • Carl Mertz

      I find it interesting about people like Brandon,most are queer and really can’t stand there own life style so to feel better they go against god. Most have low to middle level jobs and once again they life style will never let them move up in life. You are a sad little man.

      • Brandon E

        Carl. If your looking for queers no need to look further than the priests inside the Catholic Church. I am with GOD, that is exactly why I follow the true teachings of the Bible. If you still believe that the level of your job and the lifestyle you live defines who you are as a person then you are TRULY CONFUSED. I love my life and I love knowing the truth. I hope you can also find the truth sir.

  • Thomas

    This is not the Catholic Church I have loved and respected.

  • ColCGadsden

    I believe/pray Pope Francis might have some better uses for those classrooms teaching abortion ala the German Bishop of Bling recent experience. If not, then there is no need to fund CU and when that envelope comes to me, it will remain empty but submitted.

    • flourgiggy

      This is about Georgetown University, not Catholic University, so there will not be a collection envelope. The headline for this article is inaccurate and misleading.

      Actually, I hope Pope Francis cracks down on his fellow Jesuits who are the ones that run Georgetown. That school hasn’t been Catholic for as long as I can remember – at least from the 1970s.

      • ColCGadsden

        How could I possibly think this was about CU and not GU when the headline specifies CU. either the college Fix Staff is providing fake journalism or they really don’t check facts anymore.

    • irisham

      good for you, that’s exactly how we can fight this! We may not win but the best plan of battle!

  • Vorenious

    This should not be taught at any Catholic school. Fire the administrator and deans who came up with this!

    • irisham

      That’s exactly what they should do but they wont! The world is turned upside down. What we are witnessing is Biblical todayand I am not sure if we can do a thing about it we may be too far gone!

  • AmericanMan2012

    Liberal progressiveness is the lure of seductiveness, to the irresponsible, un self- disciplined youth, who are looking for a cause, of which this one is not rational for someone going to a Catholic University.

    This would be like going to medical school and taking a course how to kill off someone without being detected.

  • Don Quick

    the church should force them to remove the moniker Catholic from “Catholic University” there is nothing Catholic about them, they should be called “Satan University” or “Barrack Beelzebub U”

  • JC526

    Your University is now infested with the Liberal Virus.

  • I. Have. Had. Enough

    Promoting a law. Hmm… why does anyone have to promote a LAW that’s LAW. Lets go promote beastiality – it’s legal in certain states. Lets promote the death penalty. Let’s promote eating my own crap. Again, WHY do you need to promote a law that was only put there to make oback barama look good to himself. All he wants is a favorable exerpt in the history books. He aint gettin’ it. He sucks as a leader and has made the US a very divisive place.

  • Mike

    Worshiping at the alter of Obozo.

  • potvin

    This is not a Catholic university. This is a sham.

  • mattsullivan33

    The Church must completely change the administration of this supposed institution of higher learning or shut it down immediately. This is beyond the pale again. It is a scandal to Christianity and is a terrible sin.

  • phillyfanatic

    Bad enough that many universities are simply brainwashing institutions for socialist, secular, humanist anti-American, anti-Judeo-Christian ethos, but now Catholic U. acts just like some ACLU, ACORN, Abortion Clinic and they ought to be ashamed. If they think the God that supposedly props them up is pleased, they are as insane as Obamacare and the Mussolini on the Potomac who they have chosen to worship.

  • Goodbyeamerica

    Sad, but Catholics won’t do anything to stop this.

  • jumpstart

    Christ said that there would be a great apostasy in the end times. when the Pope said the you don’t have to believe in God to get to heaven I thought he was nuts. Now I read this and I can’t figure out what is happening to the Catholic church? Nothing is sacred in this country anymore, especially life. Choice has replaced Life. No God, no moral absolute, who determines your worth?

  • lcky9

    Well the list where my granddaughter can attend school (she will need help) grows.. she went to a Catholic school and came in 2nd for writing for anti abortion when she was in 8th grade.. Even though she is attending a public High School when it comes to College she has a harder choice.. Her grandfather and I will have to approve of the College IF she wants help from us.. we refuse to waste our money on LIBERAL leaning schools EVEN if they disguise themselves as Catholic .. just like Republicans who are Progressives.. CAN’T waste my money on them either.. While both parties get abortions by far the left uses it more.. so after awhile we won’t have a problem with PROGRESSIVES now will we..

  • Famous Dave

    GEORGETOWN ISN’T A CATHOLIC (JESUIT) COLLEGE. IT IS A D.C. COLLEGE INFESTED BY LIBERALISM & SHOULD BE BURNED TO THE GROUND UNTIL NO LIBERALS ALIVE THERE, THEN REBUILD IT FOR THE GOOD OF THE PEOPLE.

    • donobrien

      Spoken like a maniac.

      • Famous Dave

        NO, A TRUE AMERICAN THAT IS WILLING TO START FINDING & KILLING “PROGRESSIVES” LIKE THE FOUNDING FATHERS WOULD HAVE DONE IN 2009, EVEN BEFORE OBAMA TOOK THE “FAKED” OATH ON THE KORAN

  • potvin

    Where are the bishops? I know they take a vow of celibacy but I wasn’t aware that meant they didn’t have any cojones. Are they going to do something about this or will they be hiding under their altars?

  • flourgiggy

    College Fix: Fire the one who writes your headlines. Is this a deliberate attempt at misleading people? Certainly you do know there are two universities in DC with have/had Catholic affiliations. The one you write about is Georgetown University, run by Jesuits.

    Get it straight. Your dumb headline squelches any credibility you might have ever had.

  • stlouisix

    The apostasy ongoing at Georgetown has been well known for years in that Georgetown is Catholic in name only. THE bigger scandal is that nothing has been done to rein in that apostasy by those who could and should have for the sake of what’s left of the faithful. But today there are those who would reinvent the Church from within both apostate clergy and laity alike to make it unrecognizable as Catholic in the same manner that Obama is doing to an America unrecognizable as American!

    The solution is for Catholics in more than name only to recognize this apostasy for what it is by referencing the invariant Teaching Magisterium of the Church on faith and morals in the same manner that Americans in more than name only must reference The Constitution, as opposed to allowing those who are neither Catholic nor American to bastardize both!

  • Ray

    So what is the damn difference?? I’m sure plenty of Catholics voted for the likes of Obama, Pelosi and the like. Abortion advocates. I have little respect for the Catholic church, especially giving Pelosi communion. If that is not the definition of hypocrite then apparently all the dictionaries have to be corrected. I’m sorry if I offend anyone with this post, but I’m pretty sick of Catholics professing to believe in the right to life, and then voting for the very people who advocate the killing of the innocent unborn.

  • JeffHarris

    Biden and Pelosi are the most famous Catholic abortion advocates and the Catholic church keeps it’s hands far away from them – they get the same communion every believing Catholic gets.

    The new Pope says Catholics are “small-minded, rule-following” haters in regards to abortion and homosexuality anyway ..so what’s the big deal about a Catholic University doing a little educational promotion ?

  • Rich S

    Is there anyone by the name of Judas making decisions at the college…?
    This Catholic College has been gotten to…andshould be discredted by the church.

  • Latino

    Time the Church take action and ditch these “so called” Catholic institutions

  • Mr Chow odysseus660

    Very simple. This is not a Catholic University.

  • disqus_jbiEBRPY4F

    This is why we quit contributing to “catholic” higher education. We send most of our money to vetted overseas missions. We sponsor a wonderful eight year old boy in Guatemala, as well as missions in Haiti, Africa and Asia. The USCCB is largely to blame for the problems in the American Cafeteria Catholic Church(ACCC). Just consider its failure to take action on pols such as Sebelius, Biden, Pelosi, and Kerry to name just a few as regards their stand on abortion.
    Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI said nations have a right to maintain secure borders on Oct. 26th, 2011, consistent with church doctrine and in conflict with the USCCB and the ACCC.

  • Chris

    I was surprised when I read the headline until I remembered Georgetown is still called a Catholic University for some reason. No surprise here.

  • sentinel45

    The professor should be immediately fired – let me reconsider, the President of the University should be removed. This us not a debatable subject at a college that purports to be Catholic.

  • disqus_jbiEBRPY4F

    Come to think of it, didn’t William Peter Blatty recently co-sign a letter to Pope Francis I about the sorry state of Georgetown?

  • valricoslash

    As a Catholic, I hate to say this but the Church in the US is sleeping with the devil (democrats). They say one thing but then let things like this go on in Catholic institutions making the leaders of the Church hypocrites. How can you be against abortion but then allow a Catholic university teach this stuff? The bishops preach the party line but then support democrat politicians like the Kennedys, Pelosi, and others who support abortion rights.

  • MARTYB

    They deserve each other. Stand with God, or stand with the Satan. Always a personal choice. I have chosen; have you?

  • matt

    they’re ‘catholic’ like the care act is ‘affordable’ or cnn is a ‘news’ network.
    they should be sued for false labeling.

  • sam256

    Who at Catholic University is promoting this murder and anti Catholic doctrine?
    Abortion is NEVER allowed in the Catholic faith, NEVER, under ANY circumstances.
    Please post the name(s) of the NON-Catholics that are behind this at Catholic University, if anyone knows who they are. They can’t be Catholic and need to be removed from whatever position they hold in at the University

    .

  • http://www.pmurraymusic.com/ P. Murray

    It’s been said before, but what the heck, one more time? There is, in all of this country, only one Catholic higher learning institution with a Canonical Mission; meaning, it receives its educational directives from subordinates of the Holy See, and has oversight from the US Council of Bishops. That school is the Catholic University of America – my alma mater – and while there are certainly many institutions with a strong Catholic heritage, there is, to date, no other college here that has either received or accepted that mission. Thus, any other college with said Catholic heritage is not under pain of persecution from the Holy See for teaching any sort of class that would go against RCC doctrine or dogma, and for [what I hope will be] the last time, CUA would not teach a course such as this.

  • Polarisguy

    This is a Jesuit University! The Jesuit Pope needs to speak out or get out! BTW, this is where Sandra Fluke went to Law School

  • Al Pistachio

    I hope all good Catholics join me in refusing to donate to the church until this school and other Catholic institutions withdraw all classes that promote abortion!

  • Reardon Steele

    Progressive Democrats are tireless in their promotion of the holocaust that is the modern abortion industry. How does anyone of faith ever vote Democrat?

  • lemmiwinks88

    georgetown has been jewed

    what an AWFUL race of degenerates

  • kpduty

    teaching anything about abortion disqualifies Georgetown from being Catholic- it does not have any right to pretend it is Catholic-

  • WBC

    This is not in the least surprising. Georgetown is the worst of the worst of what the Jesuits have done to Catholic education. The Archdiocese should require them to remove all references to the Church . Their chapels should be de-consecrated and the sacraments forbidden on campus. Evert priest associated with Georgetown should have his presbyterial faculties revoked. The entire university should be put under interdict.

  • djbaluta

    GT is NOT a Catholic University anymore and every Catholic who works there should be excommunicated ASAP!

    • Michael Chandler

      Excommunication, if I remember rightly, is reserved for those CINOs that publicly support abortion, homosexual unions (marriage is man-woman only, period), and other grave evils. The CINO gets public reprimand from the diocese bishop, cardinal, whoever, and if he/she refuses to repent, is excommunicated.

      Of course, we still need our priests to enforce it with great vigor. That still is lacking from what I hear.

  • redneckkk

    It hasn’t been a “catholic” university for decades. Real catholics wouldn’t allow this to happen.

  • CenCalDevil

    The class will be taught by Professor Kelli Garcia, senior counsel at the National Women’s Law Center.
    She wrote this poem;

    Planned Parenthood, Why do I Love Thee?Why do I love thee? Let me count the ways.
    I love all of the healthcare you provide.
    The million pap tests that saved lives.
    Planned Parenthood, you deserve praise,
    For all of the tests and the many ways,
    You keep women and men from being denied,
    The services upon which they rely,
    And plan pregnancies for future days.
    I love the many flu vaccinations,
    And the programs for smoking cessation.
    Unintended pregnancies prevented,
    The care of a staff that is committed,
    Well-woman visits and contraception,
    Planned Parenthood should not be defunded

    Posted on February 16, 2011 |

    Posted by:
    Kelli Garcia, Senior Counsel

  • Garry Preston

    If the baby is aborted and it’s a boy, who will the priest have sex with?

  • Travis McGee

    The Democrats religion is their politics. Here is the proof.

  • jaimjackson

    Georgetown need not even look to the Bible to get a morally sound answer, which can be gotten from a good textbook on vertebrate embryology, from the
    foundational document of our representative government— the
    Declaration of Independence — and from the enumerated powers of the
    Constitution.

    The first establishes that the embryo is a member of the human species from Day One, i.e.fertilization; the second establishes that the Right to Life id prior
    even to Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness, it is the first of the
    inalienable rights; the third establishes that the Federal Government
    has no authority to rescind this right.

    Q.E.D. Biblical morality from Constitutional sources.

  • recarterjr007

    Georgetown used to be Catholic? Who knew?!

    • Dante

      Yeah, but you gotta admit…those Catholics sure can play basketball!

  • jim wharry

    Sounds to me Garcia should not be teaching at the school. If she is allowed to continue, then maybe the administration should be replaced also. Something is very wrong here.

  • jim wharry

    Sounds to me Garcia should not be teaching at the school. If she is allowed to continue, then maybe the administration should be replaced also. Something is very wrong here.

  • Wolfy Ghalkhani

    this university is no longer Catholic. it should change it name to say ….Jihadi university.

  • Wolfy Ghalkhani

    this university is no longer Catholic. it should change it name to say ….Jihadi university.

  • cephasalpha

    We should deluge the Vatican website with copies of this article. The Pope MUST do something.

  • Porky Pig

    Little “C,” little “U.”

  • Dante

    This is why the pews are empty on Sunday.

  • Oaksford

    Brothers and sisters in Christ are known to us by the freedom they have in the Way the Truth and the Life. That is the basis for our ability to live peaceably with one another as we walk with our master and are instructed by His word. We can know His will only by being steadfast in His word, yet here we observe those that would teach murder in the name of the God of creation.
    Georgetown university is now just another abomination.
    A parent that sends a child to such a place should rather measure themselves for a millstone and dark water about their hearts if they contribute to such vileness with their treasure and acquiescence.

  • Gracie66

    The Catholic church sputters and spits but in the end they quietly acquiese. All they had to do before the 2008 election was to remind Catholics about the Church’s policy regarding abortion. They didn’t even have to mention Obama’s name. Instead: silence. If you’re not against something, you must be for it, right???? Now Catholics are “outraged” about Obamacare. This is a good time to speak out. Horse, barn door?????

  • guest7734

    The current Pope seems different than the former Popes, maybe he’ll do something about this.

    • WatchingAmericaDie

      The current Pope is probably a pedophile and I’ll bet he’s in favor of abortion rights. Don’t hold your breath while you wait for him to act.

      • guest7734

        That’s just gibberish.

  • D. Lenore Hutchens

    Wish I were smart enough to write this: It is a marvelous structure in the United States of
    America that does not allow for the state to rule the church or the church to
    rule the state. Historically that meant that the church was answerable to God
    and the state was answerable to God. Separation of church and state assumed a
    division of labor; the church has its job, and the state has its job. The
    church is not to maintain a standing army, and the state is not to do
    evangelism or to administer the sacraments. Nevertheless, they are both
    regarded as being under God.

    Unfortunately, in today’s culture separation of church
    and state means separation of state and God, as if the state and the government
    were answerable to no one but themselves—as if the government didn’t have to
    respond to God. But God monitors governments; God raises them up and brings
    them down. Every human government is accountable to God and is accountable to
    maintain its affairs with justice and with righteousness. When the government
    is no longer acting justly and no longer protecting life—sanctioning abortions,
    for example—then it is the task of the church to be the prophetic voice, to
    call the state to task and tell the state to repent and do what God commands it
    to do.

  • strongmind

    too bad Catholic University couldn’t teach more subjects than “liberal theology masking as real world knowledge.”

  • cindi

    sad and scary!!

  • RufusChoate

    The minute John Garvey assumed the Presidency of Catholic University this treason to the teaching of the Catholic Church was foreordained. He is a Judas and a corrupt fixer.

  • espy

    This and other scandals “Catholic” universities have been involved in, and I use the term scandal to focus on those incidents in which a school has gone directly against Catholic teaching, shows that these schools are not Catholic. They are secular institutes along the same lines as any state college and should be treated as such. Their identity as Catholic institutions should be stripped and all Catholics should be made aware of what these schools have been doing while claiming to be Catholic.

  • SorryAmerican

    It is worth noting that the Catholic Church fully supported the rise of the Nazi party. How much lower than that can they go?

    • RufusChoate

      You’re too stupid to argue with. So shoo.

      • SorryAmerican

        Spoken like a true elitist Progressive Liberal. You refuse to lower yourself to defend your argument because you don’t have any facts and the truth is not on your side. Just like your Messiah, Obama.

  • ChrisSanchez

    Is Georgetown a Catholic school? Is it supposed to be Christian??

  • Cincinnatus

    The RCC is done… put a fork in it. If it wasn’t enough to have nearly every single “Catholic” associated college morph into Communist Re-education Camps, but now they have a “Liberation Theology” activist as Pope. The downward spiral has begun.

    • RufusChoate

      Did not the founder say something about the gates of hell not prevailing against it? I am pretty sure about it.

      • AZfederalist

        He said the gates of Hell will not prevail against “His Church, the Universal Church of all believers”, not the Roman catholic church, led by someone who has historically referenced himself to be the “vicar of Christ” and promoting false doctrine while rejecting scriptural authority as the only norm and standard of Christian Doctrine.

        • RufusChoate

          What Church suffered the persecution of Pagan Rome,Islam,the Norsemen, Huns,Tatars,Visigoths,Ostrogoths and every evil regime since? Who canonized the Bible and translated it?

          1. Lutheranism?
          2. Calvinism?
          3. Church of England?

          Nope not even close.

          You have no standing declaring any doctrine false based on your and your fellow heretics cherry picked quotes from scriptures and mistranslating them to fit your current opinion.

          Lutheran, Calvin and Henry VIII would burn you as Heretics for your errors. You have no Theological consistency or coherence.

          • AZfederalist

            Nope, not even close. But thanks for playing papist.

          • RufusChoate

            You can write and invent anything you wish about early Christian but it is simply fantasy that you spout to make yourself feel comfortable in your errors.

            The reality is Protestantism was a rending of the Church for the material and political gain of most of its secular adherents. The looting of the Monastic system and seizure of church property created most of the wealthiest Noble Houses of Northern Germany and England. Protestant love to claim that they were persecuted for only reading the bible when the reality was the Protestant fell upon one another as soon as they stabilized their power over any disagreement over “orthodoxy”.
            Lutherans along with Calvin suppressed the Anabaptists who in turn abused any deviation of their creed.

            I read scripture and the early church father everyday along with the host of witnesses and Saint through the ages along with having both Greek and Latin and what do you have for an example? Joel Osteen?

          • AZfederalist

            It is apparent that like the scribes and Pharisees of Christ’s day, you are relying upon your own works for your salvation rather than Christ alone. Further discussion here is useless, as the Lord said, if they will not receive you, shake the dust off your feet in witness against them.

          • RufusChoate

            You’re on the losing side of theology and history and self posture like an authority. You are so much like the Mormons and the Jehovah Witness with one sided proselytization that shows you really only have your hatred of the Faith to warm your parsimoniously soul and allow you to spout gibberish.

            It is always the same, every time I was invited to a bible study with Bible thumpers, I was soon disinvited because their minister and leaders because they knew nothing of bible, history or Christianity aside from out of context quotes to bolster an illogical point.

      • Cincinnatus

        @Rufus – Interesting. I didn’t know that you were a Catholic, Rufus. I grew up Catholic, and I do not believe that the Founder (note the capitalization), Jesus Christ, was speaking of the Catholic Church, as a “bricks and mortar” institution, which the RCC comprises, when he said, “And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” [Matthew 16:8].

        • RufusChoate

          And yet we can be more certain than anything the Founder was not referring to any ecclesial communities founded by a corrupt monk (Luther), a debauched, syphilitic King or a power crazed Mad Lawyer in the 16th based on their power to modify the translation of the Scriptures to conform to their political aspirations.

          500 years and 32,000 sects of Protestantism is a worthy testament to their falsity.

  • Callahan

    Where are the Bishops and their Conference . Catholics in the United States have no representation in Washington ( only faux Catholics in congress and the VP’s office ) and no leadership from the Bishops and Cardinals . Weak sisters all of them . The clergy has failed the Church .

  • Verisimilitude

    I’m so tired of weak bishops, weak priests and hypocrisy when so many high-profile “Catholic” institutions and “Catholic” politicians are allowed to flaunt basic tenets and make a mockery of the Gospel with no fear of reprisal, no real discipline. And this new dull pope just spouts one morally relativist platitude after another. The Church of Rome is derelict. I’m leaving — for the Tridentine group, or Orthodoxy or, God forbid, some Evangelical fold, but this is it. A painful decision, but it’s hard enough to raise my kids in this overflowing sewer-world. I’m not going to raise them in a church whose so-called leaders refuse to set a worldwide example or even a local one, for the most basic Gospel, no-brainer tenets of faith. Worse than Babylon, has Rome fallen.

  • publius211

    How can the Catholic Church continue to call this a “Catholic” university? It is the height of hypocrisy, and that’s saying something.

  • A. Levy

    If this story is accurate, the Catholic Church should lose it’s tax exemption.

  • AZfederalist

    Shouldn’t that headline be, “UNIVERSITY FOUNDED BY CATHOLICS AND NOW LEAD BY SECULAR HUMANISTS TO TEACH STUDENTS HOW TO PROMOTE, PROTECT OBAMACARE-COVERED ABORTIONS” Nothing Catholic about their current behavior, even if the leaders claim to be Catholic. Yeah, they are good Catholics just like Nancy Pelosi and Teddy Kennedy.

    /… and I’m Lutheran, yet I can see the sheer hypocrisy here.

  • http://www.facebook.com/victor.varisco.3 Victor Varisco

    The University can fool themselves all they want by calling themselves Catholics. But that is all they are, Catholics in name only. They separate themselves from the faith by taking such action and through this abomination condemn themselves. What is really amazing and somewhat funny is that people like this deny the true close association God has with each and every man created; an association so close that He, Our Creator is within each and everyone of us, yet they refuse to face this fact and judge themselves to eternal damnation.

  • LksLady

    At the rate this totally immoral and criminal advocacy is headed, we could some day be in a position of NOT putting a person on trial for killing another human being, but spending time in court trying to justify the existence of the victim’s right to live. THEN, IF it is determined that the victim had a “right to live”, Perhaps the “Murderer” would then be held over for trial.
    That is just about how crazy this world is becoming. To have a so-call Catholic University putting this type of class in its curriculum is an abomination.

    • Mark Hamilton

      I couldn’t agree more. The Bishops need to start the excommunication process swiftly. Yeah right.

  • Devil Dog

    You cannot be a democrat and be a Christian. It is impossible- read the Bible. And as of late it appears you cannot be a Christian and be catholic.

    • JoeNJ8

      Jesus was Jewish.

      • Devil Dog

        wow…you must be a theologian.

      • Mark Hamilton

        Who instituted the Catholic Church the final and everlasting covenant with Yaweh.

    • Edward50

      This type of fanatical rhetoric you espouse is dangerous. Jesus would be ashamed of what people are saying in his name.

  • Mark Hamilton

    So it seems.

  • Betty

    I have been following anti-Catholic activities at Georgetown University for the past 5 years. I am ashamed that they are still a “Catholic” institution. As a Catholic, I am apalled with many of the irreligious activities and speakers at Georgetown U. I would like the Bishop or the Pope to pull any association they have with Georgetown U. If they in fact enjoy a tax exempt status as a result of their association with the Catholic Church, then the university should lose it.

    • Devil Dog

      Does it bother you that the Pope said, “one does not have to believe in Jesus to get to Heaven”. I know that you as a Catholic feel under attack all the time, and that is not my intention- just curious.

  • Akira88

    Time for striking the “Catholic” our of Catholic University.
    Stop the money flow from the pews.

    • Mark Hamilton

      That won’t stop the problem. The church still needs to operate and fulfill its mission of the Gospel. The Church is going through a tumultuous time of persecution and renewal. We must keep the faith and pray. And pray some more.

  • Frizz

    Sandra Fluke will be elated. And now, with Obamacare, the tax payers of US are being forced to pay her that $7 a month +/- for her to have sex.

  • Philip Sieve

    The donors that make that college possible should freeze their donations till those in charge shape up or ship out! Are there any shepherds of that flock of dodos that care what scandal they are committing and can shape them up or have them ship out? Why do we hear so much about ecumenical outreach when they let this all go on and do nothing? I’m sure there are educator-Benedictines who are serious about their faith who would be happy to run the college.

    • Devil Dog

      The Vatican just announced last week that they need to lighten their stance on abortion.

      • guest7734

        No, abortion will always be antithetical to Catholic beliefs. The Pope just mentioned that they shouldn’t be so obsessive in their focus on abortion. There’s a lot of other problems Catholics are challenged with that need attention, too.

  • FLOYDINFLORIDA

    Sadly their are extreme liberal Catholics too!
    Nancy Pelosi should have been excommunicated years ago?

    • JoeNJ8

      Yes!

  • Seamus

    They want their piece of ‘the pie’, doesn’t matter if it’s one of the forbidden fruits…

  • Beau Toxx

    How did the Catholics lose control of their university. Who is the President and who sits on the board. These are the one who set direction and policy for the university. Who are they, how did they get appointed to these positions of influence? Evil infiltrates institutions and turn them from the inside out.

    • IntellectOne

      By the devil. Who else?

  • Beavereater

    The A+ on my dog tags had a purpose, I’m not so sure about the Catholic part anymore.

  • jazbond007

    What a disgrace. You are not a Catholic university any more. You are now a secular university. You should be fighting Obamacare, not succumbing to the terrible statist unconstitutional elimination of the First Amendment.

    • Devil Dog

      Catholic hospitals WILL be performing abortions.

  • Tony Villarreal, MD, Ob-Gyn

    This is ridiculous, you have a Catholic University espounding the benefits of ABORTION!!! This kelli garcia is a nobody…. I have brought life into this world thousands of times, always God’s wonderful creations. I lost my oldest daughter at the age of 18. It was tough for my wife and I, and her 2 younger sisters. I have delivered many of her classmates, and I always get a tear in my eye. This happens not only with my deceased daughter’s classmates, but unfortunately with all my deliveries. Life is precious and we can not think of it as a burden. When a man and a woman choose to have a relationship, first they should have a commitment. Marriage is the ultimate commitment. They have to realize this is a meaningful realtionship. And if a child is conceived, it is from this meaningful marriage and now there is a very STRONG commitment. This is when real men MANUP!!! Anyman can produce a baby, but not all men are real fathers….

    kelli go home!!!!

  • Edward50

    The headline is extremely misleading. Abortion is not mentioned anywhere in the course description. Whoever wrote this headline neads to go back to Journalism 101.

    • Lou Bator

      There are no more journalists. They are merely bloggers, unedited bloggers at that. Anyone with a keyboard and internet access is a “journalist” today.

  • falseprophet123

    Georgetown University stopped being a Catholic Institution years ago. Look at the professor roster for the Law School, it’s crawling with Jews. This University should be stripped of it’s Catholic Mission Statement. The school went secular a long time ago. Time to jettison it from any involvement with Catholic life.

  • EdZachury

    What do you expect from Georgetown the University that covered up the name of Jesus Christ, when Obama requested it, during a speech there.

  • Chuck

    This college should no longer be identified as Catholic. They are educating students in direct opposition of the teachings of the Church. Bishop should step in, or Pope Francis needs to appoint a new one!

  • roughman

    How can this be?

    A church that turns on its beliefs is as bad as a government that spurns its Constitution.

  • John

    Time to pull the “Catholic” label from Geogetown.

  • DeJuanathon

    This is why I quit attending Catholic Mass. The hypocrisy is simply more than I can stomach.

    • Urs

      Don’t cut and run. Reform. There is hypocrisy everywhere

      • DeJuanathon

        When priest can marry I’ll consider it. Until then, it’s just a place where pervs and pedophiles go to get respect and immunity.

    • Devil Dog

      I did the same. I have never been closer to Jesus than I am now.

  • Frazzu

    Georgetown should just announce that they are now Episcopalian i.e. Catholic-lite.

  • John

    We are over looking the fact that this university is in Liberal land and culture infects everything… Southern Catholic Universities will not tolerate this

  • B Jenkum

    Abortion is Driven by Shame.
    Shame of being judged, shame of being selfish, the shame of the strong ending the defenseless. A new life is always a joy, whether planned or not. Rallies for the emotional praise of abortion is an oxymoron, and every woman knows it.

  • Valid Point

    INSANITY! Shame on Georgetown and those who stand by silently and allow this to happen.

  • newtiffen

    Maybe this is an issue for Rome.

  • Jesus Christ, it’s Allah !

    Have some respect…..Find a Harvard catholic and f u c k it up the poop shoot…the Vatican would …Tiger Wood …

    • mikemoair2

      only pooper love is pure and wholesome these days, CHANGE

  • TheTruthWillSetYouFree003

    This isn’t an educational class, it’s a recruitment office for the radical left’s equivalent of Hitler’s Nazi Jugend. (For all you brain-dead liberals, that was Hitler’s Nazi Youth groups who were brainwashed into supporting Hitler and spying on their friends and parents.)

  • k962

    Georgetown has ceased to be Catholic and divorced itself from Church teaching!

  • http://richmondtommy.wordpress.com/ Tommy Hancock

    This being Catholic University it is hard to believe they would drift this far away from Catholic doctrine. I don’t understand!!!!!

  • Neel Matches

    Catholic liberals are a joke. They abdicate their charitable inclinations to the secular, uncaring, and sometimes evil government. Jesus said to sell all you have and give it to the poor. Liberals are more like Judas who looks at what others have and asks why the ointment wasn’t sold to be given to the poor.
    Pelosi the great congressional Catholic is filthy rich, which I have no problem with, except that she purports to be for the little people as long as she can extort it from the masses. I think of you liberals standing at the waters edge as a man drowns and you say “I’ll jump in to save him, but only if everyone else does”. Yeah, a joke.

    • Geddy_Lee

      ^ This 100%

  • Midwestmike

    This is easy. The Catholic Church needs to leave Georgetown. Let them stand on their own. As a private school they can then do any dam thing they want. Oh, and their tax exempt status goes as well.

  • rosswill

    It is past time for the Catholic church to cut Georgetown loose. If you cant reign them in then get rid of them

  • Scarface13

    Is this another nail in the coffin of Roman Catholicism( to be distinguished from the Eastern Orthodox and Syriac/Maronite Catholics)?

  • Jakedog72

    No one who calls themselves Christian, Catholic or Protestant can justify this practice. It blows my mind that people who want to call themselves Christian in on breath can turn around and support someone like Obama who is pro-partial birth abortions, in the next. They are hypocrites and liars and yet Christians continue to support them-shameful.

  • eeddggy

    Any Christian that attends this Far Left University should be ashamed of themselves.

  • Mack Kearney

    once again demonstrating the lack of those willing to stand up for their beliefs. It is no wonder the people in the country decry anything coming out of Washington as a depraved haven of septic waste.

  • another_engineer

    The catholic church was infiltrated by Socialists/marxists and homosexuals as far back as the 60′s.

  • GODis4EVER

    They should lose all funding and be abolished by the Catholic Church. Send a notice to all stating that the Church does not approve of this course and others that this establishment is promoting, so the Church is withdrawing all funding and this is no longer a Catholic University.

  • KrisTr

    I am a Catholic from the country where religion was the only weapon against the evil of communism and I have to say (pardon my french) WHAT THE F$$K???
    I am not defending my religion and my church for THAT!!!

  • eeddggy

    When did Murder become a tenet of the Catholic Church? I guess they should revise the Commandments to the 9 Commandments.

  • Terence Hooven

    It is not just Georgetown University that seems to be anti-Catholic as regards to Catholic theology but any number of Jesuit institutions. I often wonder if the Jesuits are still part of the Catholic church?

  • bluzrider

    They need to get rid of the administrates at Georgetown.

  • I.C.

    Don’t blame Georgetown.

    It’s the lily-livered cowardly Alumni who refuse to stand against evil and tell their alma mater in so many words.

    Evil thrives when good men do nothing [and continue to send in donations].

    • Jay

      I’m a Georgetown alum, and we’re *glad* to see the university moving away from your reactionary nonsense under DeGioia. This is a positive development.

      • I.C.

        LOL Jay, “your reactionary nonsense” ???

        The preserving of human life? Reactionary nonsense?

        Your comment proves my post…Georgetown is doing exactly the bidding of donors like you. You display well the “Georgetown brand” of 2013.

        God help you and Georgetown!

  • http://nathaniel-campbell.blogspot.com/ Nathaniel M. Campbell

    Because, God forbid, a law school should not be teaching its students about the current state of the law! How terrible that Georgetown Law is actually offering an EDUCATION in how the new law works, rather than an indoctrination in how to ignore and deny the current state of the law. That’s really what we need more of: lawyers who are ignorant of the law! That’s how we’re going to fix the world!

  • Red Samurai

    This is contrary to moral teachings of all the major faiths and a blatant attack on humanity itself, an attack on the dignity of the human person whether born or unborn!.

    • Jay

      As a proud Jew, no, abortion is not in any way contrary to our moral teachings. Sorry sparky, you can’t speak for us.

  • Karisep

    When universities have the title Catholic do they get money from their diocese? Can that stop if it happens here?

  • KAREN

    All you Catholics out there, you do know your pope told an atheist recently he, too, could go to heaven recently. Widening the gate. “Narrow is the way, and few there are that find it.” The “Vicar” of Christ? How about the handmaiden of Lucifer?

  • Lorilu

    The Pope issued requirements for Catholic universities to adhere to in their teachings, in order to claim to be Catholic. Obviously, Georgetown is falling short. They should just become a secular university, and stop pretending.

  • lukey

    To the Catholic Church: please cease funding and cut all ties with this cesspool immediately. It is not a Catholic University.

  • ZiggyStardust

    Georgetown is a joke and should be ashamed. Glad my daughter chose Catholic University of America. They are fighting this atrocity tooth and nail

  • Disgruntled2012

    Yes, of course, because promoting abortion is doing the Lord’s work!

  • bigbiz2

    The Catholic Church needs to clean house with all these liberal “anti Catholic” University faculty members.I think it was Georgetown that covered up the crucifix while Obama came over there to speak. Listen up alumni: “Quit donating money to these cesspools of ignorance”!

  • 1930s_all_over_again

    The liberals have infiltrated virtually every traditional institution and are destroying them from within…the Catholic Church has the same problem as the Republican Party…

  • JJnTX

    When will the Catholic Church cut it’s ties with GT?

  • Duke

    Georgetown is run by the Jesuits, the Pope is a Jesuit. Pope Francis Pope up and call outthose responsible.