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More students, young Americans turn to paganism

As millennials continue to leave traditional Christian religions, interest in Wiccan and pagan practices have seen increased interest in recent years, a trend also spotted among young people and on college campuses.

Pagan or Wiccan student groups are present on a number of college campuses — both secular and religious — across the nation. The growing normalization of such practices, albeit still a minority, corresponds with the decline in Christian believers, some observers note.

A recent report in Market Watch headlined “Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology” argues as much, for example.

“Whether it be spell-casting, tarot, astrology, meditation and trance, or herbalism, these traditions offer tangible ways for people to enact change in their lives,” Melissa Jayne, owner of the Brooklyn-based “metaphysical boutique,” which has seen a big increase in 20-something customers in recent years, told Market Watch.

“For a generation that grew up in a world of big industry, environmental destruction, large and oppressive governments, and toxic social structures, all of which seem too big to change, this can be incredibly attractive,” she said.

The article goes on to cite several businesses that have successfully latched on to this trend, from online purveyors of tarot cards to popular astrology apps.

The article also cites recent Pew Research Center data that found 25 percent of Americans now identify with no religion, as opposed to 2011’s 18 percent. Underscoring that, a 2014 National Science Foundation poll found nearly half of all Americans say astrology is either “very scientific” or “sort of scientific,” UPI reports.

With that, it may be no surprise to see interest in paganism is also alive and well on campus.

Today a number of universities around the country have officially recognized Pagan or Wicca student groups, usually housed under their respective religious student activities departments.

In 2010, Syracuse University appointed its first “Pagan Chaplain” of Hendricks Chapel, its interdenominational place of worship. Others, like Air Force, have followed suit, including designating specific areas on campus for pagan or spiritual worship.

In 2014, Loyola University Chicago — a Catholic institution — christened a new pagan student club. Also that year, the University of Washington’s student newspaper launched a column dedicated to delving into Wiccanism.

A 2015 report in Inverse argued that the increase in interest might also be traced to a passion for the environment, as well as a decreased interest in organized religion among young people.

The piece, headlined “As Students Tackle Privilege and the Environment, Paganism Grows on Campus,” went on to note that: “In 1998 the Pagan Educational Network received its first request from a student who wanted to start her own on-campus pagan group. Now colleges from the University of Texas to the Massachusetts Institute of Technology have their own student pagan groups, while institutions such as the University of Arizona allow Pagan-identified students to be excused from class on Wiccan holidays.”

“I think one of the things that really helped solidify for me that Paganism was the path for me was the almost complete freedom I had,” the vice president of the Pagan Student Union at the University of Baltimore told Inverse. “There is no one holy text we all must read, there is no organized church service which is mandatory to attend, there is no concept of original sin or any pressure to be perfect people. Paganism is exactly what you want it to be.”

While many news reports note the rise in interest in paganism or wiccanism among millennials, they are also quick to note it’s not a huge or overwhelming one.

Indeed, a search by The College Fix found a number of student Wicca organization websites are defunct or haven’t been updated in over a decade, suggesting they dissolved or no longer exist.

The University of Chicago, Rutgers, Syracuse, The Air Force Academy, Illinois State University, University of Southern Maine, Concordia University, Drew University, and Chapman University all have or have had functioning clubs, according to an Internet search.

The College Fix reached out to all of the student groups listed above, none could be reached for comment.

Meanwhile, the growing interest in paganism and Wicca can be traced back to at least 2002, when a Fox News headline noted: “Wicca Casts Spell Over College Students.”

“Members of Syracuse University’s Pagan Society lighted candles in the campus chapel, while curious students signed up for a new class on witchcraft,” Fox News reported. “Anthony Paige, a recent SUNY Purchase College graduate who started a pagan student group there, said Wicca appeals to some college students because ‘there is no sense of sin.’”

By most accounts, Wiccan and pagan beliefs have at least become more mainstream.

Catherine Edwards Sanders chronicles this in her 2005 book “Wicca’s Charm: Understanding the Spiritual Hunger Behind the Rise of Modern Witchcraft and Pagan Spirituality.”

In it, she loosely defines Wicca as “monistic and pantheistic beliefs that all living things are of equal value. … Humans have no special place, nor are they made in God’s image. … Wiccans believe that they possess divine power within themselves and that they are gods and goddesses. …Consciousness can and should be altered through rite and ritual.”

Sanders also notes most Wiccans do not believe in Satan, but they do believe evil exists.

“Wiccans, as a rule, are not consciously or deliberately worshiping Satan,” she writes. “Whether they are unconsciously worshipping him is an issue on which Wiccans will differ with Christians.”

MORE: Catholic university launches pagan student club

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John Paul (Jack) Ferguson is a sophomore at the University of Notre Dame, with a Great Books major and a Constitutional Studies minor. On campus he is a section editor for The Irish Rover, an occasional contributor to The Observer, and a Student Fellow at the Notre Dame Center for Ethics and Culture, and the Tocqueville Program. Jack reads C.S. Lewis and Victor Hugo obsessively, and plays on the Notre Dame squash team.

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  • Iva Haddit

    The one true God is a jealous god… be very careful where you tread

    • theAdorableDeplorable

      We are currently living in the age of Grace.

      All “ages” end eventually and those who have forsaken God shall find themselves forsaken.

    • Christine Guinn

      Which god is that? Zeus? Odin? Ra? Quetzalcoatl? Shiva? Amaterasu? There are SO many, and each religion thinks that theirs is the “one true god.”

      • jcauldren

        There is only one god that ever claimed to be the only true god.
        And only one god who has consumed other gods, spread to every continent on the planet. In every race of man, every age, every class… 2/3rd of humanity and growing.

        • Charlie Smoke

          Growing in some parts of the third world, yes. Dying at an astonishing rate in the first world.

          • jcauldren

            “astonishing rate” – not true. Slowed, yes, but not dying at an “astonishing rate”.
            The Catholic Church has grown and never decreased… ever. Not even in the U.S. The 2020 census will be interesting.
            I would anticipate other Christian religions to fail at some point; as a Catholic, I believe they lack the full truth the Catholic Church has. People naturally seek out truth as I’m sure you’d agree.

          • Ephesians Sword

            Actually, according to Demographers, only two groups are seeing an increase. They are Evangelical Christians and Muslims. Mainly because both groups have large families. Catholics and Protestants are declining. Watch “Demographic Winter” on Youtube.

  • Grim

    It’s looking like we’ll soon be able to answer the question of how long snowflakes can survive in Hell.

    • Personmed Ansikte

      Right after you prove how long child molesters survive in Heaven.

      • tofubob

        I appreciate both these comments!

      • Roger Cotton

        Answer: They don’t get into heaven.

        • George6112

          All sinners, including molesters and mass murderers or even you or I are accepted into heaven, through repentance of our sin and acceptance of the Lord Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.

          • jeb19673

            Thing of it is, you can’t accept Jesus and then use it as a license to keep on doing what you’re doing. Doesn’t work that way. The faith has to be genuine, otherwise its worthless.

          • George6112

            That’s where the word “repent” comes in. It means total change of the heart and mind. It’s what Roman C’s have a hard time with as they sin, a preacher in their church, acting as God, tells them to say the words “hail maria” 100 times really fast, hop on one foot, and crawl around the church on all fours, and they’ll be forgiven. You’re right, it doesn’t work that way.

          • George6112

            Darn, the Roman Catholics are going to be upset when they find out all their hail marias they paid good money for aren’t keeping them out of the fire. I can just see the mafiosa right now, but St. Peter, the priest told me murder was on sale last week – 3 for 10 HMs.

      • csbubba

        They don’t get there UNLESS they REPENT of their sins and ask Christ to come into their life and be their personal SAVIOR, THUS turning from sin.

        • Iamthenumber7

          You have a deep misunderstanding of the gospel, friend. Man is born with a sin nature that he or she struggles with unto death. No man or woman can “turn away” from sin. Even if one could, it only takes a single sin to damn your soul eternally. Thus, salvation would already be out of reach before one began. If we could “turn away” we wouldn’t need a savior to save us from ourselves. Thus, only acceptance of Jesus Christ as savior can save us. The word repent, arguably the most misunderstood word in the Bible, is translated from the Greek word metanoia. The meaning of metanoia means “change of mind”. One simply needs to change their mind about what they believe to be saved. Modern day repentance implies an action- a turning- which opens the door to the false doctrine of “good works”. You’ll never be able to save yourself from yourself so the concept of good works is absurd. In fact, the good works doctrine seeks to replace Jesus Christ’s grace with ones own contributions. This is what Lucifer attempted to do all along; it’s the doctrine of the synagogue of Satan.

          • jeb19673

            You’re splitting hairs on this. csbubba has it right.

          • IronHeadSlim

            No, he doesn’t.

          • Craig Hobson

            Sorry I’m not guilty of crap. You can continue to believe that you were born with sin, if that’s the case who put it there? Your god, so he could sacrifice himself to himself.

          • Charlie Smoke

            “Sin” is the best cha-ching machine ever devised by man. Fortunes have been made exploiting it.

          • Yeah, Obama’s a Muslim

            There has been rape, theft, murder, adultery, lying, cheating, and violence as long as there has been humanity.

            But “sin?” What nonsense, amirite?

          • IronHeadSlim

            Amen!

          • csbubba

            Man is BORN in sin! I never said “good works” Man can ONLY come to God through Jesus Christ the SAVIOR! OK the word “repent” is used by catholics and has a different meaning. I am NOT a catholic! So man can only come to God through the salvation, belief in and that Christ DIED for our sins, if we except this and TURN from sin, which means it will be a CONTINUOUS challenge as no one EXCEPT Jesus Christ was or has been perfect. You have to live by FAITH and pray for the Mercy and Grace of God. As it says “Lead me NOT into temptation, BUT deliver me from evil” Also who are you to tell me I have “a deep misunderstanding of the gospel” because I used “repent” wrong in your view. I AM SAVED by the Grace of God through Christ shedding of his blood. We are ALL sinners in Gods eyes! So please becareful of your “Holier than thou approach.
            So some how, I guess cause I said “repent”, you ASSUMED I was catholic?
            The catholics are of the Alexandria bible, they worship relics, saints, and you can PAY the church and get your relatives out of purgatory (which they have supposedly done away with) and the pope is god here on earth for them, what he says go.

          • David George

            nicely said

          • faithnhope

            You are mistaken when you say Catholics worship relics and saints. That isn’t true and is a common misconception. We believe in the communion of saints, in other words, that the saints can pray for us if we ask them to. Don’t you ask for other people to pray for you? The saints aren’t dead. Their souls live in heaven and they will pray for us.
            We don’t pay the church to “get relatives out of purgatory”. We pray for deceased souls suffering in Purgatory that their time will be shortened and they can then go to heaven. Purgatory is still a Catholic belief. None of us is perfect and when we die will need to be purified before we can live with God in heaven.
            The Pope is not God and we never see him as such. He’s our leader here on earth. The successor to St. Peter (Matthew 16-18).
            So, no offense, but you should investigate before making claims about Catholics.

          • csbubba

            I have INVESTIGATED! You should do some honest investigating, and how many “saints” has the catholic church created?

          • crusader

            >muh believe and be saved
            >muh once saved always saved
            Boomer you realize your children (that wont become degenerate freak) will become cathdox?

        • maxonepercent

          I think this exemplifies why a lot of people are turning away from christianity. A person can commit all kinds of terrible acts against others, but all they have to do to get into Heaven is repent and accept Jesus? That seems an awfully low bar to me. I believe in permanent consequences that can’t be “forgiven” because you prey to the right diety.

          • jeb19673

            Then everyone goes to hell. End of story.

          • Bluelock

            True … except God provided a way of salvation.

          • maxonepercent

            Nope, some very great and brilliant people go to heaven, some truly evil human monsters go to the pit of tartarus and the rest of us are reincarnated down the family line.

          • angryguy77

            Then who defines what act is so terrible it cannot be forgiven? Is it you, me or another?

          • Brendan Pratt

            If that is why they are leaving, it is a clear misunderstanding of the faith. Jesus did non separate you or me from the pedophiles. We are the same spirit, the same specie, and whatever lies and tricks were told to him by others or himself, there are circumstances where we would have traveled the same path. Likewise, any man born in Nazi Germany or Stalin’s Russia had a very high likelihood of turning from humanity in favor of power. Jesus never said repent and you deserve heaven. The idea is that there must be a conscious effort to turn from sin, although it is inescapable. Even so, we are undeserving. But through the grace of God, it is possible to attain eternal life. God said it was harder for a rich man to attain heaven than for a camel to pass through the eye of the needle; and believe me, we are far more wealthy today than the rich of yesteryear. Christianity sets the highest bar I can think of. Maybe Hinduism is comparable, but Christianity makes a case for the archetypal story of sacrifice.

          • maxonepercent

            I disagree that we share the same spirit with pedophiles. We are separate entities and equal on no level.

          • Yeah, Obama’s a Muslim

            “all they have to do to get into Heaven is repent and accept Jesus? That seems an awfully low bar to me.”

            Try it, and then tell me how low that bar is. Bearing in mind that ““Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven…”

          • maxonepercent

            If there are rapists and child molesters in “Heaven” than I don’t want to go there. Some sins are unforgivable.

          • Yeah, Obama’s a Muslim

            A large crowd of tax collectors was there, along with others who were eating with them. But the Pharisees and their scribes complained to Jesus’ disciples, “Why do you eat and drink with tax collectors and sinners?”
            Jesus answered, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick.
            I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance.”

            Pro Tip — we’re ALL sinners. Even you.

          • maxonepercent

            Not all sins are equal.

        • Christine Guinn

          LOL! Christ? A mythical character supposedly conceived when “god” impregnated a 13 year old without her consent.

          • Philosopher Zero

            Actually, she did consent. At least know what you’re criticizing.

          • MikeyDe

            Snowflakes do not have to know, they just have to run thier mouths

          • Craig B.

            I’d like to know how she did ?

          • jcauldren

            She answered “yes” to the angel Gabriel.
            You know this verse, don’t you?

          • David George

            Um Philosopher Zero is right, it amazes me that people will argue with no sound study of the facts.

          • Yeah, Obama’s a Muslim

            Probably 14 or 15, at least old enough to be betrothed to a man. “Without her consent?”

            You really don’t know the story too well, do you?

          • crusader

            >without her consent
            >an angel comes down and talks to the holy mother about it all and she agrees
            >without her consent
            Next your going to tell me the bible supports sodomites

      • Scott Moon

        Eternity based on the free gift of Grace given to all men who ask for it regardless of their actions. Christ paid for ALL sins on the cross for you.

        • crusader

          Without works faith is meaningless

    • LouGots

      BZ!!!! Very well done!

  • Kanibe

    When men choose not to believe in God, they do not thereafter believe in nothing, they then become capable of believing in anything. G.K. Chesterton

    • Philosopher Zero

      It’s a great quote, but it’s been misattributed to Chesterton. It was actually said, in different words, by playwright Émile Cammaerts.

      • Kanibe

        You are indeed correct as to the origin, thank you for informing me of this much appreciated 🙂

        • Philosopher Zero

          You’re most welcome. Even documentarians have attributed it to Chesterton. It sounds like something he’d say, but he didn’t actually say it.

    • Vichara

      But not just anything, it has characteristics that are poorly understood, and the lack of investigation of which is feature of modernity.

      To understand the attraction and rise of pantheism in America see the excellent essay:
      ‘Uncovering the Metaphysics of Democracy: Individualism, Pantheism, and Nihilism in the Thought of Alexis de Tocqueville‘, online in pdf.

  • Fred762

    Bible makes clear that in the end times, the dead will fall away from the true God and worship the creation (Satan)..not a surprise then, huh? Rom 1:25 and basically Romans 1:17-34 and many other places,

    • dougchase

      Best explanation from the mind of God and verified throughout human history.

      For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures. Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper, being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; they are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving, unmerciful; and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them.
      Romans 1:18-32 – https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Romans%201:18-32&version=NASB

      • 2mrixl1

        Absolutely spot on. I used to wonder what’s wrong with them, why do they act like that? And then, I remembered this piece of scripture. Question answered.

      • Personmed Ansikte
        • chuckles

          Do you understand WHY God wanted all the child bearing women and their children killed?

          God was wiping out the Nephilim. That was the cause of the Flood of Noah also. The fallen angels mated with women and their offspring was corrupted. They were spreading altered DNA through the population. They taught witchcraft and idol worship along with changing the gene pool. The seed of the woman was going to destroy the seed of the serpent. If you study where King Saul refused to kill them, That was the West bank, Golan Heights, and Gaza today. Are we having any trouble there today?

          Just reading Atheist propaganda doesn’t suffice for Bible study. The baby killers today seem to make liberals happy, why is that good and killing satanic monsters bad? The baby killers back then worshiped Baal and Molech.What was the fate of Baal worshipers? We are tired of having to explain why it’s OK to eat shellfish or wear fabric that is a mix to people that are reading off a sheet given to them by some radical organization. They haven’t read the Bible let alone studied it. They don’t understand the Law showed us our sin and Jesus took it away. All things are lawful for children of the King, but some are not helpful.

          • Jochanan

            Well Said!!!!

          • I would disagree that personnmed’s post is necessarily atheist propaganda. While the verses are somewhat out of context, and it’s not clear that God is speaking here, the time period that elapsed between the Flood and the event here depicted in Numbers 3 seems to be too long for your explanation to make sense. To your point about “we are tired of having to explain…” most laws (like not eating shellfish) were intended for a particular people, at a particular time, in a particular place (the Hebrews). Other laws such as “you shall not murder” were intended for all people, in all times, in all places. “You shall not murder” is not only a law it is a value. I don’t believe that people who bring up passages like this are necessarily and always trying to discredit Scripture. There are some other troubling passages of this nature and as Christians I believe the appropriate response is to simply say that we cannot understand why God does what He does, or why these things were commanded by God (or by Moses) from our perspective and position as created beings 3,000+ distant years after the fact.

            “Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth?” God says to Job. Ultimately God is uncreated and we are created. “My thoughts are not your thoughts, saith the LORD.”

            We are simply not going to be able to answer every tough question in this life (although we should never stop seeking).

          • Charlie Smoke

            It’s called “Divine Command Theory.” If God orders you to machine-gun a classroom of first-graders, you do it, because God said so. And because God said so, it’s a “good” act.

          • Ephesians Sword

            Where did you come up with this from. You really should lay off the heavy drug use.

          • Ephesians Sword

            Chuckles is spot on in his/her reference to Genesis 6:4 being the back story to why there were conquests in the OT. The Conquest Narrative begins with the Rephaim and ends when Joshua says, “There are no more Anachim in the land.” These were all Nephelim tribes, aka giant clans, just like Goliath and his brothers from Gath. Also, what is the time gap between the flood and this event have to do with anything? It is clear the line of the Nephelim persisted. They are identified in 1st Samuel.

          • mofo

            My way of explaining it is that the words were written by people that didn’t understand the world around them at all. They were seeking out any explanation for things that happened to them so they could gain a sense of control over their own lives. If disease wiped out a town they tried to determine what they did to cause the wrath of an angry god. When in reality they could have just washed their hands. But a lack of understanding of infectious disease caused them to draw incorrect conclusions.

          • chuckles

            Genesis 6:1-4 speaks of a time when the fallen angels took the daughters of men and corrupted the flesh of God’s creation. Look in verse 4 and see the phrase “in those days, and also afterward.” God destroyed the people and creation with a flood to cleanse the earth, save 8 people. In verse 8, Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord. How do you find grace,…Believe the Lord. then in verse 9 we see Noah was “perfect in his generations”. That means his DNA was not yet corrupted. He needed grace, as he was a fallen man, but his flesh was still clean. Noah walked with God. Verse 12 says ALL flesh was corrupted on the earth. I would assume that would mean Noah’s wife was corrupt also.
            So after the flood, more Nephilim would appear and repopulate the earth. There are various verses that speak to the giants in Canaan. I don’t want to take time to look it up but I think Og was 6 cubits or so as king of Bashan and the sons of Anach were mentioned along with the Rephaim. Goliath was of course one of them along with 4 other brothers. I think my explanation makes sense.
            As far as talking about the law, this is a tactic the atheists use to mock Christians. There is a list they have memorized such as who did Cain marry?, Do you have sex with your wife on her period?, do you eat shrimp? Do you wear shirts with two fibers mixed?, and the list is long. They know many Christians can’t even explain what the Bible says, so they have these arguments memorized over the years. Most seminaries even teach that the son’s of God mentioned in Gen 6 are descendants of Seth and not fallen angels. There ‘s a whole nuther Bible teaching just on that subject that comes from a mis translated word in Gen 4:26. It should read that men began to PROFANE the name of the Lord in the days of Enos .
            Now as to who was speaking,….Moses wrote the first 5 books of the Bible as God dictated it to him. Ask any Jewish Rabbi and they will agree with me. Moses used to talk to God in front of the Tabernacle as he would talk with a friend. He was receiving the Torah.

          • lfthndthrds

            “God was wiping out the Nephilim”
            God wasn’t much of a Shepard if he couldn’t keep the Nephilim out of the flock to begin with.
            You guys wear me out.

          • Ephesians Sword

            You lack understanding of God’s Creation. If he wanted robots that were perfect in their nature, like He is, he would have made us that way. What He wanted was a free-will being that would be part of a divine family, a heavenly host. He understood the possibilities and dangers of such a creation, but chose to do it that way. That is how the Nephilim came to be. Genesis 6:4 explains this. I don’t really expect you to care, but there it is anyway.

          • Dion

            Amen!

          • mofo

            Yea, obviously it was done in order to wipe out the magical creatures. How can people believe this atheist propaganda?

          • chuckles

            So the Bible is lying about Goliath and the sons of Anach, and the Raphiam? Look up the king of Bashan, Og. Were the Hebrews like grasshoppers in their eyes like the spies said? Did they not bring back one stem of grapes on a pole that took two men to carry?

        • Toto Mango

          Personmed, the real act of mercy was that God didn’t wipe all of mankind out in the beginning, but prepared a way to redeem us and restore us to what we were made to be–His children. The rebellious have no idea just how much mercy God has for us that he allows the world, and you, to continue at all. For all have sinned and fallen short of God’s glory. We are all made in His image, yet we make a mockery of it in a million different ways on a daily basis. We are dead people walking without God. It is only through and because of Christ that we still exist at all.

          God raised up the people of Israel to bring forth a Messiah; Christ. He preserved the Israelites for this reason. What God allowed in the Old Testament was for that reason alone. He could have wiped everyone out, and He had (and still has) every right to do so, but He looked to the day of Christ’s sacrifice (Gen 3:15) and the future redemption of those who would choose Him, and spared humanity for the sake of those who would choose Life and redemption.

          God so loved the world (us), that He gave His only Son, that whosoever believes in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life. God sent not His Son into the world to condemn the world (us), but that through Him, the world (we), might be saved.

        • Ecclesiastes 10:2

          Hosea 4:6

        • Bert

          Mr. Anskite, your graphic’s message presents a perfectly legitimate and important question: why did the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob order the total elimination of some tribes that the Hebrews came across?

        • Note that the word “murder” is not used in this verse. “Murder” and “kill” are not at all synonymous, either when the KJV was translated (I am assuming you are quoting the KJV), or now. The use of the word “kill” may suggest that these people were worthy of death in God’s sight, for reasons that we cannot understand from our vantage point 3,000 years after the fact, and that only God knows.

          For if Moses was in fact a murderer for having first killed the Egyptian, then that means that “Moses the Murderer” led the Israelites out of Egypt, and those events took place before this. But “Moses the Murderer” is neither consistent with the Divine character nor is it consistent with the Old Testament account and Judeo-Christian tradition of Moses as the quintessential Lawgiver. Recall that at the transfiguration of Christ, Elijah represents the Prophets and Moses represents the Law, ergo “the Law and the Prophets.”

          I’m sorry I don’t have a better explanation I can give you. I can only stand silent, like Job when God said to him: “Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth?” Why God does what He does is a deep mystery that we cannot understand. From a Christian perspective, we do know, and this is clearly stated in Paul’s letters to Timothy and elsewhere throughout the New Testament, that God desires that all be saved and come to a knowledge of the truth which is in Christ.

          • lfthndthrds

            ” Why God does what He does is a deep mystery that we cannot understand”
            Because the bible is an allegory and people who take it literally will be always be confused by it. It’s highly improbable that any of those characters in the document ever even existed. Talking snakes, UFOs, talking jackass, talking burning bush people dying and coming back to life…. As far as Christ goes, highly unlikely that he was anything more than a figure in the drama. If he were to have actually existed, all the miracles would be documented in secular history.

    • Personmed Ansikte

      Even the first year student of history loses track of the sheer volume of doom-n-gloom predictions of the supernatural fantasists. Every few years, there’s some new, catastrophic event just barely on the horizon which can be backed up with hazy, nonspecific ravings in the Iron Age fairy tales collected under King James in 1611… usually followed up with “buy my book to learn more!” or “subscribe to our website and get this complimentary travel mug for your pledge of $50.”

      But then, there’s big money in keeping people in a perpetual state of alarm. Because when you’re scared, you make decisions based on alleviating the emotional tension of the moment–which are usually not very good in the long run. This is why Christian leaders keep their various parishioners in a constant state of terror… and why their fearmongering fails so quickly once someone realizes the centuries of empty threats have NOTHING to back them up.

      Happily, Christians are now reduced to using argument and media to push their agenda because they can no longer imprison, torture, maim and kill people who question their dogma. This is an improvement over the 1500 years of theft, rape, torture and murder they used before. So, good for them! 😀

      • csbubba

        Uh-hm your describing the catholic church.

        • john c.

          You mean the one where Mass was held in catacombs lest they be fed to lions in the arena? The one that fought four crusades against Muslim dominance and saved Western Civilization? That one?

        • Philosopher Zero

          What john c. said.

      • Paul Kersey

        Spoken like a truly bitter and hateful atheist.

      • libwithIQ

        So sad for you. I will pray for you.

      • D.Goyim-Knowz

        All being equal if you dropped the word christian and insert Enviromentalists,SJWs,LGBTs,Zionists
        ,Muslims,Anarchists,Communists
        ,Socialists,Snowflakes,and etc etc
        your describing them also

      • ThirdFavorite

        Your comments do not hold up under scrutiny.

        You imply that anyone who argues that we are in the “last days” is doing so for some sort of financial gain. While that may certainly be true in some cases, and is truly disgusting in those cases, many Christians simply have your best interest in mind.

        Most Christians sincerely believe that there will be a day of reckoning for each of us. We do not financially benefit by taking the time to encourage you to evaluate the most important questions in life. Frankly, it would be much easier for Christians to simply ignore people like you. However, our faith encourages us to love everyone. I personally would not want any human being to spend eternity away from God. I believe that there is hope for everyone.

        The vast majority of theft, rape, torture and murder has been performed by those who reject God. Those who may have committed atrocities in the name of God, are not a part of His family.

        What has happened in your life to create such bitterness and hatred towards those who simply want to make the world a better place? I firmly believe that, when you are alone, with only your thoughts, you know in your heart that there is a God and a creator. You simply do not want to be told what to do. Your rebellion is based upon your desire to reject rules. I understand that desire and need to fight it every day myself. However, one would hope that as we mature, we struggle to answer those most important questions in life. Many will continue down the path of rebellion, while others will reconcile with their Creator.

        After reading a variety of ancient literature, I believe that human nature has changed very little in the last 3000 to 4000 years. I have spent the last 43 years of my life reading not only Christian literature, but also literature from those who vehemently oppose Christianity. I believe that if I cannot answer the most difficult questions from my opponents, I am not worthy to claim a strong belief in Christianity.

        After these many years, I am more confident than ever that there is a God and that He has spoken to His creation. I believe that He emptied himself and for a short time, became a man, Jesus Christ. If you truly care about this topic enough to respond the way you did, perhaps you can study the words of Jesus a bit more and see if His words are worthy of your consideration. I truly do wish the best for you, but felt the need to respond to your very negative comments.

        • lfthndthrds

          “many Christians simply have your best interest in mind”
          Baloney, most would cast me away in the place call hell before they would sit down and have a rational conversation about why there isn’t a shred of credible evidence to justify what they believe. intolerant toddlers, but that’s what they’re taught “keep your head down and don’t ask questions”

          • ThirdFavorite

            First of all, thank you very much for saying baloney instead of a more aggressive word. I obviously cannot speak for all Christians, and no doubt some might send you to hell before sitting down for a rational conversation. However, I highly doubt that most Christians feel that way. Christians, just like atheists, generally want what is best for their fellow man. Christians happen to believe that we will be held accountable for our actions and decisions made while living here on earth. Therefore, I believe that most Christians are hopeful that all men and women will make good decisions regarding eternity.

            Again, I cannot speak for others, but I will personally extend an invitation to you to sit down and have a rational conversation regarding why I believe there is significant credible evidence for my belief system and worldview. I would very much be willing to listen to every word you have to say, without exception. Neither of us would need to be threatened by the others opinions. Please let me know if you would like to start that conversation through email, telephone or any other method. I don’t know the first thing about you, but I believe I am called to be prepared to give an answer for the hope that I have within me. I just pray that I can do so with gentleness and respect. Thank you for your consideration.

          • lfthndthrds

            Thanks for the well thought out response. my screen name @gmail.com

      • Jane Dowe

        You don’t believe – fine. But that doesn’t mean that you have to be an @$$hole.
        Why don’t you go over the the muslim forums and riducule them? Oh, that’s right: unlike Christians, muzzies will try to kill you, and you’re really just a pu$$y behind a keyboard.

        • Charlie Smoke

          Gee, thanks for not trying to kill us for criticizing your religious beliefs. Would you like a special prize, or perhaps a gift card will do?

          • lfthndthrds

            LOL!!!

      • maxonepercent

        I think it is funny when people start arguing that there similarities between current events and the vague predictions in the book of revelations. The book was written 1500+ years ago and people have been making the same predictions for the everyone one of those 1500 years! Why would the predictions be any more accurate now than they were 1500 years ago?

      • I fail to see how “Christian leaders keep their various parishioners in a constant state of terror?” Can you elaborate on that and provide some specific examples? If your argument is that Christians say “if you don’t believe in Jesus you’re going to hell,” yes a lot of Christians do say that. As a Christian myself I don’t know that I would want to go that far. God, not man, decides who will be saved and who will not be saved. Human beings, Christian leaders included, cannot set limits on this absolute divine freedom. Having said this, there are passages such as John 3:18 which suggest that if one doesn’t believe in Christ then he will be condemned. But condemnation of this nature is up to God, not to us. Our task is to love God and treat others decently – i.e. do unto others as we would have them do unto us. Traditionally the Christian Church holds little dogma, and the dogma it does hold concerns itself with Christ’s incarnation, life, death, and Resurrection, and His relationship to His followers (the Church). These are all theological issues and not issues of values. I don’t think very many Christians today would agree that those who disagree with them should be imprisoned, tortured, maimed or killed. Christianity seeks to persuade, not coerce. Christ is either a liar or a lunatic, or He is who He says He is: Lord. You have to decide who He is and what He means to you.

  • oncemorearound

    History never goes away. It just keeps spinning back, repeating over and over. Nothing new here Kids….

  • ThinkAboutIt

    The way of paganism has been consistent throughout history in this one fact – those who abandon The Living God of Israel, Jesus run to paganism. Been that way for thousands of years. Not a good thing.

    • cc

      Solomon was right, there is nothing new under the sun

      • Kanibe

        As he (Solomon) back slid into deep paganism….

        • SonofLiberty7

          …and then repented before his death. No one’s perfect.

          • Kanibe

            Um… hard pressed to find solomons repentance in the scripture…

          • SonofLiberty7

            Is it explicitly stated in the Tenach, no, you’re correct, it’s not. However, Ecclesiastes is widely held to have been written by Solomon in his old age. I think that whole book is his repentance. If you disagree, well, you have a right to your opinion. The truth is, none of us will know with 100% certainty unless we finish our own race faithfully. Maranatha.

          • Carol Lynn Buchanan

            Yes, I believe the Book of Ecclesiastes relates to Solomon’s repentance. In the last couple verses Solomon says, “Fear God and keep his commandments for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing whether it be good or whether it be evil.”

          • SonofLiberty7

            That’s an excellent point. It sounds like Solomon is speaking from painful experience there.

          • Suchery Robin

            He was into paganism for sure. Drawn away from the truth by his many wives…

        • The Manz

          But he is still redeemed and will see eternal life but will not see any reward if he did not repent. There is no “spiritual” Israel as you’ve been led to believe through the lie of universalism. Redemption is only for the covenant people. And it’s not the jews.

          • renee ciccioni

            Nor Christians.

          • Al2sultan

            Ummmmm the covenant was concluded with the Jews. The history of Christianity and Islam afterwards is an attempt to userpt the jewish people’s own history and religion for themselves hence the violent Anti-Semitism from both groups until this day. But hey if you are Christian feel free to worship the jewish man named Jesus and if you are Muslim feel free to worship the asteroid that landed in Saudi Arabia. To each their own.

      • JT

        Millennials = The Stupidist Generation in History

        • RANDY

          their parents had all the good drugs

        • renee ciccioni

          The older generation always say that about the up and coming generation , doesn’t make it true.

      • RANDY

        OH????

    • Cade Smith

      Except that paganism as in polytheism was around for centuries before christianity and judaism and any monotheistic religion, to each their own but polytheism is still a valid religion

      • Philosopher Zero

        Please define “valid religion.”

        • Cade Smith

          Any belief system practiced by a large group of people, that explains how the world was created and how many natural phenomena occur. (cults are still technically religions although really bad ones).

          • renee ciccioni

            Old cult’s are called religions new religions are called cult’s , in the end it’s all the samething by another name.

        • OBRon

          “Religions” are nothing more than organizations that canonize the teachings of spiritual masters into theological dogma. When a spiritual teaching becomes a “religion,” it is already in decline, as its followers are generally more interested in the tribalism of association and following its dogma than in seeking individual inspiration from the original teachings.

          JMHO

      • jcauldren

        “Polytheism” is not a religion. It is a type or form of religion. The same as saying that Catholicism, Judaism and Islam are all Monotheistic religions. There is no worldwide polytheistic religion and there is no long-lived/ancient polytheistic religion (other than Hinduism) alive today.
        That “theism” (belief in a God or gods) has been around long before God spoke to Abraham… means what exactly? Your point lacks… a point.

        • Cade Smith

          I know I misspoke, my point was that ThinkAboutIt claimed that as long as religion has existed people have left judaism and christianity to join pagan religions. The opposite is mostly true, christianity, islam and judaism, joined many tribes and countries together.

          • Rainouart

            Not that many. And always in periods of cultural rot. The two orders of religion are not morally equivalent and don’t have the same influence on society. In paganism good and evil are jumbled together haphazardly, not separated out and polarized as with Christianity and to some extent the other civilized religions.

        • Sara Lee

          ahhh…Celtic, Greek Gods, Roman Gods, Scandinavian Gods…all are ancient Polytheistic religions that are coming back…..after a 2000 year hiatus…..hmmmm interesting…

          • jcauldren

            The Celts are making a comeback? Thor? Mars?… really?
            When they get a line item in the U.S. census then we can discuss, eh?

          • Rainouart

            hmmmmm is a cheap substitute for sufficient reason.

            To take Thor and Minerva seriously in this day and age, you’d have to live in Cloud-Cuckoo-Land. Even being stoned on weed every day wouldn’t be enough. I don’t think for a nanosecond that a single one of you is that uber-ditzy. In your modern, creature-comforted privilege, you’re just playing at being “pagans” like the 16th-century Spanish nobility played at being shepherds — i.e., clocking out at the end of the day and going back to their sumptuous palaces to sleep on their feather beds … in lieu of exposure to the elements 24/7 like real shepherds. Cf. “As You Like It” by Shakespeare.

          • bill1942

            hmmmm, very dangerous

          • Push

            They never really went away. Just hung back in the shadows waiting to be beckoned.

        • OBRon

          Actually, Hinduism is technically henotheistic – meaning it believes in one supreme being with other lower deities that are subservient to the supreme being. Such is the same with other eastern spiritual theologies – which describe multiple planes of existence beyond the physical realm, with each such plane having a deity corresponding to that plane of existence. Of course, at the very apex of the worlds of God, there is but one deity, the Supreme Being which rules over all existence.

          Just something to consider.

          • jcauldren

            That is a good point to clarify.
            However, do Hindus see the over-arching “thing” to be a being? A distinct and unique person? I understood Hinduism to see this universal “thing” to be more of a thing… the universe if you will. The personages are the many deities and mankind that act within the “thing”. Just what I can recall… The “lower deities” are much more like gods than say an angel is in the Bible.

          • Rainouart

            They call him Brahman and talk about him as if he had agency. A “thing” just sits there being, not acting.

            What is the difference between gods and angels? I see mostly a formal verbal difference, and a difference in implied context (polytheism vs. monotheism), nothing more. The Greco-Roman philosophers called any such entity an “aion”, which literally meant “always being” (aie + on), but they qualified that as meaning the being existed eternally INTO THE FUTURE BUT NOT BACK INTO THE PAST; i.e., each of them had a beginning in time (were created) but after that, no end (death) going forward.

            All were creatures of Brahman=Jehovah, the one necessary being who exists FROM eternity to eternity. (There can be only one necessary being. Why? Because if you admit two, then why not three? Why not fifty million? Duh. By the time you get that flippant and that lowbrow, you’re too stupid to understand that you’re talking about contingency — it may be two, it may be three, it may be 50,000,000 — and not necessity.)

          • Ephesians Sword

            Actually, you just outlined the Judaeo/Christian Bible. Look at Psalm 82 and Deuteronomy 32. Both outline a Divine Council in which lesser gods are being admonished by the Supreme God YHWH. The term “monotheism” was coined in the 17th century, so it is really a modern construct. Ancient Israelites had no problem thinking about other gods that were given dominion over the other nations. This is where the ancient gods of the pantheons came from.

          • OBRon

            Indeed. There is truth in all spiritual teachings, and one would be surprised at the commonality that exists among the world’s spiritual paths.

          • Ephesians Sword

            I would agree to a certain extent. I am a Christian and believe that the God of the Hebrew Bible is the Creator of all things. With that said, I would not limit such a Being in how He accomplishes his goals to redeem humanities fallen nature.

          • Frank Pike

            So Acts 4:12 and John 14:6 mean nothing to you? If you believe there are other paths of salvation I doubt you are really a Christian.

          • Ephesians Sword

            Again, your response typical!

          • Frank Pike

            Excuse me? I am sorry, did I misinterpret that you said there could be other ways? I would not like to make that mistake. Maybe you should explain how you interpret God’s plan of salvation.

          • Ephesians Sword

            All I am saying is, I don’t make a habit of saying, “God can’t…”. Since I have heard the Gospel, I chose to believe and be saved by Gods grace because my ears heard the good news, but what of those who never hear the Gospel, yet live a righteous life?

          • Frank Pike

            Hi, we have to remember that the word says there is none righteous, no, not one. Our good works are as filthy rags to God. So, as we see in Romans 1 God does reveal Himself in His creation so that “none are without excuse”. It is Christ’s righteousness that is applied to us through His shed blood that grants us the righteousness in order to be born again. God’s plan is incomprehensible to us and what He has been teaching me lately is that I cannot make the mistake of attributing what “I” think is right to HIM. All I know is that He is sovereign and His providence will be done.
            I pray you have a great day and that God blesses you richly in your life of serving our Lord and Savior. Always seek the truth in His word.

          • Dick Wheeler

            You are right to not limit God but you are wrong to not accept limits God places on Himself. If He says He will redeem humans only through His son then who are we to say otherwise. “I am the way, the truth, and the Life. No one comes to the father but by me.” -Jesus

          • mezzetin1

            Don’t forget Amaterasu.

          • Liam

            Very true. But we don’t know that for sure because that’s not what was revealed. Suffice to say, if we Christians worship the true God of Love, truth and justice, then we can’t accept that He would condemn a non Christian for simply being born in another part of the world and was deprived of the gospel through no fault of their own.

          • Frank Pike

            Have you ever read Romans 1?

          • Liam

            Yes. Do you know that the NT was written by Christians for other Christians and it’s not a word for word legal Constitution for the entire world? It was addressed to those who heard the gospel. Of course for us, we have no excuse. For others who have never heard of Jesus, their fate is up to the Infinite God of Love and Mercy.

          • Frank Pike

            I am so glad God came up with a new plan of salvation for you. I could care less what your opinion is, I want to see scripture. I would imagine Liam you are a millennial who has established your view of God based on a world view that suits you, not on what the eternal creator of our universe says in the only authority we have, the Bible. I have been born again and studying the Bible probably twice as long as you are alive. You change the plan of salvation based on what you think is fair, not what God says. Our God of love is also a God of judgment. We are saved one way, through Christ’s sacrificial offering of his life and shed blood on the cross. Put away your stinking philosophy books and read John and Romans and pray God will show you the truth. Jesus said the gate is narrow and few will enter, your heretical view of salvation is sure to lead others down the wrong path. Don’t respond, I am sorry I ever saw this site with all the new age dribble on it.

          • Liam

            First of all, God doesn’t say the only authority is the Bible. This is purely a protestant idea that surfaced in Christianity 500 yrs ago. I am a Christian and I agree with you that Jesus Christ is the only way that we can be saved. We as Christians do not need to be worried about any other path. We simply recognized that God is not bound to our rules. And If He is perfect Love and Mercy, perhaps He will not condemn a soul who was never given a fair shot. Again, we only know of one way, to be baptized into the only Church He started.

          • Frank Pike

            Oh, forgive me. You are from the Harlot Church of Rome. The cult Constantine started to merge the cult of Isis to Christianity. Actually Liam very few Catholics are True believers of Christ. You have perverted the truth with Mary worship, salvation through the sacraments, following godless heathen popes through the ages resulting in the deaths of true Christians during the inquisition. Protestants protested these lies from hell and showed God’s message of salvation through Christ alone, grace alone, faith alone, scripture alone. Your belief is like what James says, the devils believe and tremble. Oh yeah, James is in the Bible. That is a book very few papists ever read.

          • Liam

            Liberalism is allot like protestanism: an intellectual mess based on lies. You my friend, haven’t scratched the surface of the Bible nor do you have a clue who Constantine was, nor do you have a clue what the Roman Catholic Church is. And like liberalism, you can only function when you are comfortably ignorant. When people point out your errors you’ll clinch your fist and lash out without having a clue what you’re talkin about. Just like liberals.

          • Rick Sullivan

            Roman Catholic Church believes that all of their seven sacraments were instituted by Christ Himself. There are seven Roman Catholic Sacraments, and they are as follows:

            1) Baptism, which the Roman Catholic Church teaches removes original sin while infusing the act with sanctifying grace.
            2) Penance, in which one confesses his/her sins to a priest.
            3) The Eucharist, considered the reception and consumption of the actual body and blood of Christ.
            4) Confirmation, a formal acceptance into the church along with special anointing of the Holy Spirit.
            5) Anointing of the sick, performed by a priest using oil. The priest anoints the sick person´s forehead and hands with oil. This is associated not only with bodily healing but with forgiveness of sins. When performed on a dying person, it is called Extreme Unction (or last rites or final anointing).
            6) Holy Orders, the process by which men are ordained to clergy.
            7) Matrimony, which provides special grace to a couple.

          • SonofLiberty7

            The New Testament was written down by Christians who were all Jewish (with the exception of Mark), under direct dictation/inspiration by God.
            If you are a Christian and are wrestling with the concept of the universal nature of the Bible, then you have far bigger problems than figuring out whether those who haven’t heard are saved. If the Scriptures are not universally true, than who is to say that it was even meant for you, or that its true at all?
            None of us can say for certain whether any individual is saved when they die; only God knows their heart. However, the Bible is clear in both testaments that God’s Word applies to everyone, whether it be a pharaoh in Egypt or anyone today following another religion.

          • Rick Sullivan

            Romans 1:18–23 to highlight the importance of general revelation, on closer reading the text actually supports the exclusivist view. Paul’s argument is that God’s revelation in nature is sufficient only to condemn, not to save. Though the man on the island “knows God” (v. 21), he “suppresses the truth” (v. 18) perceptible in nature and is therefore “without excuse” (v. 20). Humans aren’t guilty because they haven’t heard the gospel; they’re guilty because they haven’t honored their Creator. In other words, not because of the absence of something (faith), but because of the presence of something (rebellion).

          • renee ciccioni

            Yahweh is the heavenly father he was never did described by the Canaanite title for hethen deities, such as God and Lord .

          • SonofLiberty7

            Shma Yisrael, Adonai Elohenu, Adonai Echad.
            Hear, O Israel, the Lord your God, the Lord is One.
            I think you are on a bit of shaky ground telling other people whether their faith is monotheistic or not.
            That there are other spiritual forces in the world is not contested. That these lesser spirits are false gods and in rebellion against YHWH is clear in any thorough reading of the Tanakh, what you might call the Old Testament.

          • LoveWins

            the big distinction is simple. there is “I am that I am” and all others were created by Him. there is only one self existant, eternal God… Yahweh… who manifests as three distinct beings. The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. They are 3 yet also one.

          • SonofLiberty7

            I understand the triunity as preached by Jonathan Edwards.

          • renee ciccioni

            Yahweh is rather he never referred to himself as a god ,he said call him by his name or father , Lord and God are not devine titles ,they are titles of the adversaries .

          • SonofLiberty7

            YHWH is not “a” god. He is the One and only Creator, God Almighty.
            He is referred to throughout the Tenach as Adonai, which translates in English to Lord.
            In the Shma, He is called “Adonai Elohenu”, which translates “the Lord our God.”
            I don’t know where you heard this idea that “Lord” and “God” are not references to deity , but in the English language they most certainly have been for at least the last 1200 years.

          • renee ciccioni

            Lord and God are diety references for Lucifer and the adversaries , and they did not enter into Hebrew language until the Hebrew mingled with the Canaanites , who used such titles to refer to the heathen spirits it then came into use only then. Satan’s greatest deception was teaching man that Yahweh is just another God ,so she could equalize herself with him in creation.

          • SonofLiberty7

            So, if I understand you correctly, you think the Scriptures were corrupted in their use of names for God due to exposure to Canaanite influence? I’m just trying to see if I understand your position accurately.

          • renee ciccioni

            God is not a name it is a title that be ascribed to anyone or anything and has been , Yahweh was known to the Hebrews by his name or father not as God , Lord and God are not devine titles nor are they personal like someone’s name.

          • Push

            Lesser gods are false gods and/or characterizations of Satan. He, Satan, has manifested himself in many forms since his first appearance in the Garden. Baal was the most prevalent Old Testament god/manifestation.

            Today’s paganism is just another sequel to a continuing saga. Nothing new under the sun indeed.

          • mezzetin1

            Yeah, I bet that was one hell of a golden calf…

          • SonofLiberty7

            Which sect of Hinduism are you speaking of?

          • OBRon, your explanation is false.
            Very few “eastern spiritual theologies” believe in a supreme god.
            Some of them don’t believe in any god!
            .
            Jesus Christ is the Way, the Truth, and the Life.
            There is no other way to God, except thru him.

          • MikeG the Deplorable

            …and He said, if you deny Him before men, He will deny you before the Father.

          • Al2sultan

            You sound like the idiots who scream there is no god but allah before they murder the infidel. Jesus was a jewish rabbi. The apostles took watered down Judaism merged it with Roman paganism and converted the illiterate pagans to this new religion called Christianity. You stole Judaism’s ideas and tried but failed to murder and suppress Judaism over two millennia. Nice try but the jewish people are still here The covenant still exists and we have returned to our biblical lands of Israel as our covenant says we would. But we are flattered you worship a Jewish rabbi. Keep doing that it’s better than pagan rituals we weaned you off of by introducing you to jewish values.

          • Rick Sullivan

            Acts 7:51-52King James Version (KJV)

            51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.

            52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:

          • Al2sultan

            You cannot use the New Testament as any proof that Christianity superseded Judaism. Like I said the Torah says explicitly that the Covenant with the jewish people is eternal and will never be replaced.

      • jeb19673

        In the beginning it was monotheistic. Paganism came afterwards. Christianity didn’t suddenly come into being just because someone wrote it down and published it.

        • Craig B.

          You are wrong about which came first.
          And, no the Abrahamic faiths ALL came about because someone wrote it down.

          • jcauldren

            The first Abrahamic faith did not require a written form to exist. Same with Catholicism. Both existed via oral tradition. To say that Judaism was born when it was documented is just flatly wrong.
            The beliefs and history and revelations that existed to be written were already ancient at the time of their writing.
            To a smaller degree (on a timeline) Catholicism existed before the books of the Bible were coalesced (let alone written). The Catholic Church gets under the skin of other Christian religions because of their concept of oral tradition and the existence of Church authority and teaching before the books of the Bible were written. The Catholic Church observes the authority of unwritten tradition to this day. (unwritten as in “not in the books of the Bible”).

          • Craig B.

            What nonsense.
            Do you really believe that early man came NATURALLY to all that Christian dogma and drama..?
            No. We worshiped the sun, and the earth, and the stars.
            Please stop spreading Jewish propaganda as history.

          • jcauldren

            Im certain that history was happening before paper and ink were invented.
            You deny this?

          • Craig B.

            LOL.
            You know you’ve lost the argument when you use a straw man argument like that.

          • jcauldren

            True failure is in not answering.
            You’ve painted yourself into a corner.
            Good luck with that.

          • Cade Smith

            yes, it likely was happening but not for thousands of years, ur was created almost 4000 years before the bible or jesus was born, it did not last that long orally, and the sumerians worshipped a sun god and were polytheistic

          • Cade Smith

            Also, how do you explain the native american traditions that had no contact with europe and christianity and had no record of christianity? they did not naturally come to it, they were already polytheistic

          • jcauldren

            I see no need to explain… that there were pagan religions before Judaism or Christianity or not is a moot point. I’ve said this a multiple points here.
            Why are some scratching and clawing to “be first”? What does that have to do with truth?

          • David George

            Ha ha ha you are funny

          • Gleimhart Supremacist™

            No. Man did not come naturally to Christianity. Christianity is spiritually discerned, and its apprehension is a blessing of God on the fallen.

            You are free to worship the created thing and reap your eternal reward — and good luck with that. I will worship the Creator.

          • Craig, Were you unaware that Adam and Eve worshiped God face to face?
            Worship of the one true God came before all these false worship systems instigated by Satan.

          • Scott Moon

            Catholicism gets under the skin because of the lies it spreads like purgatory, works, and the whole deification of Mary. You do know she had other children after Jesus or is that part of your oral traditions? So if oral tradition is different that what is written which is more authoritative? If the Popes are elected by God than why did God pick such great Christian men as Steven VI, Leo X, Urban VI and my favorite John XII who was killed by a man who caught him in bed with his wife?

          • jcauldren

            “if the Popes are elected by God” they aren’t. Except for Peter, Popes are chosen by other Catholics… these days we call them the College of Cardinals.
            “if oral tradition is different than what’s written” then one of them is not true, eh? There is/was actually a method to deciding which books went into the Bible. Many “books” or
            “letters” were written… but only some made it in. Comparing written works against the preexisting tradition of the Church was one way. Guess who decided? Mankind, Popes, Bishops… Christians… does that bother you? Why?
            “John XII” Catholicism only believes that Popes are infallible… not impeccable. On matters of faith and only when the Pope claims to be speaking “as Pope” is a Pope infallible.
            See? You just misunderstood.

          • John O’Neill

            Thank you reverend Billy Bob of the third reformed of the second reformed of the one and only true bible church of America.

          • Yeah, Obama’s a Muslim

            Did Jesus write the Bible? What DID Jesus write? If he didn’t write a book, what was He doing? And where did the Bible come from, then? Did it drop from the sky fully bound and with all of its books intact? If not, WHO determined the canon, and by what authority was it determined that some writings were divinely inspired and others not?

          • Rainouart

            Protestantism does NOT get under our skin bc its big fat lies are obvious. Purgatory like the Trinity is a word that doesn’t occur in scripture, but the thing itself is unmistakable:
            “And that servant, which knew his lord’s will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with MANY STRIPES. But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with FEW STRIPES. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.” Luke 12:47-8.

            “Stripes” meant whiplashes bc the whip left long, thin welts on your back. If besides Heaven only “Hell” — in the sense of ETERNAL damnation — existed, then how could there be any distinction between many and few stripes? There can be no “more” or “less” in infinity.

            Like so many Protestants you think you know what you don’t know. The original Greek of the NT used the word adelphoi to refer to Jesus’s nearest kin. You can translate that as “brethren” as if sibling, but it could also mean first-cousin, or “kissing cousin” as we say in the South. It was used in the Septuagint — the translation of the Old Testament into Greek by Alexandrian Jews in the Third Century BC — to mean “kinsman” / “tribesman” in Gen. and Exod. Many languages do not distinguish between siblings / kissing cousins. A friend from Punjab once announced he would visit his “sisters” over Christmas. I said, “You told me you only had one brother.” He said, “I meant my cousins.” This is so well-known that modern scientific terms, too, use it to mean “cousin”; e.g., adelphophobia = irrational fear of cousins in a proper psychoanalytic dictionary (not online). English is in the minority in dumping all non-siblings into the refuse bin of “cousin”, then having to waste words specifying which is which.

            How do you know Tradition is wrong? The Bible you treat like a meteorite that fell to earth from heaven actually originated in very human fashion in this Tradition. It did come from nowhere else. The modern vitriol that Mary was NOT perpetually a virgin is something Protestants couldn’t possibly have known after 1500 years. It is just anti-Catholic venom like yours.
            BTW, Martin Luther himself was one of Mary’s most impassioned devotees and believed in her perpetual virginity: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luther's_Marian_theology. It is the Calvinist strain of Protestantism, which believes in predestination (you’re saved or damned for no discernible reason, no matter what you do), — it’s that grim sect that hates Marian devotion.

            Catholics do NOT deify Mary AT ALL. Here is the Church’s greatest authority on Marian devotion:
            “I avow, with all the [Catholic] Church, that Mary, being a mere creature that has come from the hands of the Most High, is in comparison with His Infinite Majesty less than an atom; or rather, she is nothing at all, because only He is ‘He who is’ (Exod. 3:14); consequently that grand Lord, always independent and sufficient to Himself, never had, and has not now, any absolute need of the holy Virgin for the accomplishment of His will and for the manifestation of His glory. He has but to will in order to do everything. Nevertheless, I say that, things being as they are now — that is, God having willed to commence and to complete His greatest works by the most holy Virgin ever since He created her — we may well think He will not change His conduct in the eternal ages; for He is God, and He changes not, either in His sentiments or in His conduct.”
            — Saint Louis-Marie Grignion de Montfort, “True Devotion to Mary” (TAN Books).
            Montfort also said:
            “MARY IS OF ALL CREATURES THE ONE MOST CONFORMED TO JESUS CHRIST, it follows that among all devotions, that which most consecrates and conforms a soul to our Lord is devotion to Mary, his Holy Mother, and that the more a soul is consecrated to her, the more will it be consecrated to Jesus Christ.”
            Montfort and his book has been praised to the skies by every pope since the mid-19th century (when True Devotion first came out after having being lost for more than a 100 years): Pius IX, Leo XIII, Pius X, Benedict XV, Pius XI, Pius XII, Paul VI, and John Paul II.
            And the Second Vatican Council (1962-5), the latest authoritative statement on Catholic doctrine, stated in Lumen Gentium:
            “The maternal duty of Mary toward men in no way obscures or diminishes this unique mediation of Christ, but rather shows its power. All her saving influence on men originates not from some inner necessity, but from the divine pleasure. It flows forth from the superabundance of the merits of Christ, rests on His mediation, depends entirely on it and draws all its power from it.’ . . . ‘The practices and exercises of devotion to her recommended by the Church in the course of the centuries [are to] be treasured.

            Catholics NEVER said popes are elected by God. EVER. You Protestants are such ignorant, nasty little bigots. The only dogma on the matter is, the pope is “infallible” when enacting a dogmatic definition into Church law (canonizing it). This merely means that the pope IS NOT PERMITTED TO FAIL by a Power greater than man, but only when he acts in that capacity. Popes have been known to do evil in everyday life since whenever. No one in the Church has ever denied it for a second. St. Thomas Aquinas taught that it is a Catholic duty (not just right) to oppose wicked prelates.

            Why Protestants think that Preacherman is this big saint, when (Protestant) Christian television proves the contrary right before your very eyes day in and day out, I’ll never know. What big “Reform” has there been? Even in our miserable last days of universal apostasy, Protestant are hair-on-fire phony. Not even a pretense of decorum.

            If you have “favorite” bad popes, then you must sit around your dungeon sticking pins in voodoo dolls and otherwise hating your betters, just like the secular (Left) fascists this website is onto in such hair-raising detail. They hate the Catholic Church above all others.

          • OBRon

            Another note: (from Wikipedia) The first known use of the phrase “the catholic church” (Greek: he katholike ekklesia) occurred in the letter written about 110 AD from Saint Ignatius of Antioch to the Smyrnaeans.[note 2] In the Catechetical Lectures (c. 350) of Saint Cyril of Jerusalem, the name “Catholic Church” was used to distinguish it from other groups that also called themselves “the church”.

            As for oral tradition, the origins of Christianity were in fact oral in nature passed along from Jesus. However, at that time, since Jesus was – in fact – a Jew, there was no distinction between different forms of Christianity – of which Catholicism is but one.

          • jcauldren

            “different forms of Christianity – of which Catholicism is but one”
            I gotta believe that Christ knew mankind well enough to foresee all these differences of opinion… luckily he saw to it that Peter had his blessing as the rock that His church would be built on.

          • Ephesians Sword

            See my comment on this above.

          • jcauldren

            I did, it’s bogus but I am glad simply that people do spend time considering Christ and his word and works.

          • Sara Lee

            hmmm…The Beginnings of the Catholic Church….Council of Nicia….developed the Bible…picked and chose certain writings said to have belonged to Disciples, Prophets, and Martyrs…..disposed of others because the Ideology was not what they wanted…. Hmmm….

          • Yeah, Obama’s a Muslim

            Yep.

          • jcauldren

            No, beginnings of the Catholic Church = Matthew 16:18.
            See?

          • Ephesians Sword

            This verse is widely misinterpreted. The verse has to do with Cosmic Geography, not that Peter is the pope. They were standing on Mount Hermon. A very significant place in OT theology. Read Genesis 6:4. Where they are standing in Matthew 16:18 is the same place. Ceseria Philipi was known as the region of Bashan. Bashan in English means “serpent’ and was considered the gates of Hell. Jesus was there to pick a fight and said, “On this rock I will build my church and the gates of Hell will not stand against it.” The English translation is weak here. It says “and the gates of Hell will not prevail against it.” as if the church will be on the defensive. That wasn’t what Jesus was saying. He was proclaiming that the Church would be on the offensive and reclaiming the nations that YHWH disinherited after the Babel event in Genesis.

          • Frank Pike

            Where do you get this stuff? Jesus was referring to Peter’s confession that He (Jesus) is the Christ and that the church would be built on that confession. He was explicitly talking about the church. Wow, you no nothing about the Bible.

          • Ephesians Sword

            Frank, I don’t expect you to understand because you are given the context of scripture through the dogma of your religion. The true context of scripture is that of an ancient Israelites world view. You parse these things through the lens of a modern person. That isn’t the correct context. Your response is typical of those who can’t step outside the bounds of their own tradition.

          • Yeah, Obama’s a Muslim

            So the religions came about as the result of the documenting of the religions? Like how a car results from an owner’s manual?

          • jcauldren

            Yes… I’m pretty sure that’s what he means…. amazing isn’t it?

          • OBRon

            Religions, by definition, are organizations that have documented spiritual teachings into theological dogma. They have their origins in the writings transcribed from spiritual teachings.

            To expound upon your analogy, no car – or anything else man made – was ever created without first being imagined and conceived, which is then documented by creating a set of engineering design and assembly documents.

            So, in a manner of speaking, religions are not the conceptual inspiration, but rather the documented results of such inspiration – which is where religions are fundamentally limited.

          • Yeah, Obama’s a Muslim

            Uh…. no. The documents provide records of the religion, but are not what the religion is. The religion itself is the spiritual relationship of man with the divine, and the tenets surrounding that relationship. There was no Bible until the late 400s while Christianity grew throughout three continents, just as there were numerous books incorporated into the Talmud and Septuagint over the course of 1000 years, from around 1400 to around 400 BC documenting — but not defining — the story of the “Chosen People.”

          • OBRon

            When the term, “the Bible” was first coined is up for debate. However, the writings that constitute the New Testament were written well before your 5th century claim. In addition, we can argue terminology to know avail. But I draw the distinction as follows:
            1) Christianity is a spiritual teaching that was predominantly introduced by Jesus and passed along mostly via word of mouth and in its early writings.
            2) Christian religions and churches are fundamentally organizations that profess adherence to theological dogma, derived from spiritual teachings and expressed in their writings. (I use Christian religions as an example – but the term “religion” applies to all spiritual teachings reduced to organizations, writings, customs, tokens, and practices.)

            From Wikipedia:
            “Religion is any cultural system of designated behaviors and practices, world views, texts, sanctified places, ethics, or organizations, that relate humanity to the supernatural or transcendental.”

            Also:
            “The four gospels of the New Testament — Matthew, Mark, Luke and John — are almost our only source of information on Jesus, and thus occupy a uniquely important place in Christianity.[4] They were all written in the period between c. 70 AD and the end of the 1st century, by anonymous authors, and stand at the end of a process of oral and written tradition that began on, or even before, the death of Jesus.”

            And finally:
            “The Christian Church originated in Roman Judea in the first century AD.”

          • Rainouart

            Decent research, except for one (admittedly un-obvious) thing: the whole New Testament, not just the Gospels MUST have been written BEFORE 70 AD. That was when the Romans under Titus totally razed Jerusalem, annihilating the Second Temple, and after Masada scattering the Jews to the winds.

            An event of that magnitude happening to Israel and Jerusalem could not possibly have been ignored by the NT’s Jewish writers IF they had written after 70 AD. Jesus himself prophesied that “not one stone [of the Temple] would be left standing atop another”, and not only was that prophecy recorded multiple times by the several evangelists, it was also one of the bases for the Sanhedrin’s condemnation of Jesus as a heretic.

            Had any part of the NT (except maybe Revelation) been written after 70, you can bet the writers would have been proclaiming Titus from the rooftops as spectacular confirmation that Jesus was a divinely inspired prophet (at the least), and as vindication against the Sanhedrin’s condemnation. Nothing of the sort, of course, is found anywhere in the NT: the prophecy is laid out in detail, yet no syllable of its fulfillment. QED.

          • Yeah, Obama’s a Muslim

            I don’t disagree with anything here; you earlier seemed to be saying that the religion stemmed from the writings about it, not the other way around. I would certainly agree that the scriptures are very important to the religion and understanding its history and tenets, but not the genesis of the religion.

          • Rainouart

            Not quite. All the books of the Bible were written and in circulation before 100 AD (except possibly Revelation). The “Bible” was compiled in the mid-300s not the late 400s, by when the Roman Empire in the West had crashed and burned and things had gotten too chaotic to settle such matters. The compilers didn’t do so arbitrarily. They took a census of the books in circulation that they could identify (all books back then were handwritten and spread virally when readers made a copy of their own and passed it on. It was found that the books that were destined to be included in the canon (like the four gospels) were the ones that were already the most popular — not like because of any advertising campaigns (which didn’t exist back then anyway), but in the totally objective sense that WAY many more copies of them were found by the census than any other writings considered equally or near-equally holy (like certain letters of great bishops and monks whose saintliness was never in dispute).

            As a matter of fact, one of the chasms that has opened up between Catholics and Protestants is over the singularity of the Bible. Protestants think it is “magic” or as if not of this world, whereas Catholics hold that the Bible emerged in a mundane historical way from a much greater mass of holy writings of the early Christians, and can’t be fully and properly understood without that context.

          • Rainouart

            You got the wrong definition. There are plenty of PAGAN religions out there that existed for who knows how long before being documented by anybody (usually an outsider). Don’t you know that “pagan” means “countryside dweller” (also “heathens” who lived on the heath)? In Christian times, pagans were peasants hanging onto their age-old practices and beliefs that go back at least to the New Stone Age (post-agriculture), surely. Haven’t you ever heard of an oral tradition? In most societies for most of humanity’s existence, it was il-literacy that was universal, not literacy.

          • Rainouart

            Jihadi-in-the-White-House I-S a (Kenyan) Muslim.

          • xenonman

            Yes, I cloned my new Lexus wagon from an owner’s manual! lol

          • Rainouart

            No, I think he’s right. I have read too that in the most primitive religions, Old Stone Age ones like that of the Bushmen and others (Australian aborigines?), a father-of-all is the simple and single being worshipped (or at least believed in, or just taken for granted). Polytheism came in with ancient astronomy, as the pagans of the New Stone Age followed the multitude of heavenly bodies to predict the agricultural cycle. Why do you think days of the week are each associated with polytheistic deities?

          • Craig B.

            Poppycock

          • Rainouart

            Prove it.

            (You can’t.)

          • Push

            There was faith in the one true God well before Abraham.

            And apparently it was written down. Genesis mentions this book more than once and it predates Genesis: Book of Generations.

          • Craig B.

            Please keep all that Jewish nonsense to yourself.

          • Push

            The point of fora like this one is not to keep one’s opinion to himself. It would be nonsense to insist otherwise. Are you a nonsensical person?

          • Craig B.

            But you don’t present anything as your opinion, but rather settled-science, just as Marxist manipulators do.

          • Push

            Give examples.

          • Craig B.

            Why bother.

          • Push

            Indeed. Apparently you should’ve thought twice before making your claim. Now you’re looking worse than you were already. Now give me 50 pushups.

        • OBRon

          Just a note here… Judaism originally grew out of ancient polytheistic Semitic religions – specifically polytheistic Canaanite religions. It later evolved into a monotheistic faith during Iron Age I.

        • Ephesians Sword

          You are incorrect jeb. Monotheism is a modern construct. Look at Psalm 82 and Deuteronomy 32. Both describe a Divine Council of which YHWH is the Head. The Divine Council is made up of gods, referred to as the “Sons of God”.

        • renee ciccioni

          Christiany was pretty much established by Constantine.

        • Frog Legs

          Your last statement is a non-sequitor. If you believe the bible in the beginning there was no religion – there was only God, and God doesn’t worship himself, or if he does there’s no biblical authority to support it.

      • NormanRockwellAmerican

        There was no true ‘civilization’ until the establishment of Judeo-Christianity.

        • OBRon

          Um, ancient Greece? As in Socrates, Plato, Aristotle… No civilization there, huh?
          lol

          • David George

            Um that was well after the establishment of Isreal

          • Gleimhart Supremacist™

            Um, he said civilization.

          • OBRon

            Okay, but if we are going to get technical… the Sumerian civilization in ancient Mesopotamia (5500BC) predates the original ancient kingdom of Israel (~900BC). Also, FYI, ancient Judaism derived mostly from ancient – and polytheistic – Semitic religions, and was deeply influenced by both Babylonian religions and ancient Zoroastrianism.

            Finally, as for ancient civilizations, one should not dismiss the various religions that grew out of the ancient Indus Valley civilization of what is now India and Pakistan.

            I mentioned Greece only because it predated Christianity – as did Rome, for that matter.

            Any other questions?

          • NormanRockwellAmerican

            Ummm, you mean the glorious Greek Empire that featured the exposing of newborns, and where at any given time, more than half the people were slaves. You mean that civilization?

        • Ephesians Sword

          What? There were many civilizations before Christianity. Maybe you should go back and read the Old Testament of the Hebrew Bible.

          • NormanRockwellAmerican

            Did you see the phrase ‘Judeo-Christianity’? Also, I said ‘true’. Before Christianity, “civilizations” were rife with the horrendous treatment of women, the exposing of newborns, and slavery, for starters. At anytime before Christianity, more than half the population were slaves. Also, the hallmarks of those civilizations were war, invasion, occupation, and oppression.

      • dwash

        Yes and chisels were around before dynamite to each their own but chisels are still valid. I dunno, I guess hammers were around before chisels. Like you say, to each his own.

        I feel like you forgot to finish your comment.

      • The Manz

        Religion is manmade. Yahweh is a Creator and lawgiver, not a confirmed to the traditions of man. You better research and study Matthew 15:13 and 15:24. Redemption is only for the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Literally.

      • LoveWins

        Valid in what sense? Religion is worthless. Either you find God and get right with him or you don’t. The Bible tells you all about God and how to find him. It’s all you need. God has revealed himself from the beginning of creation and man has decided to make two religions out of that. Don’t complicate it. Everything else is false and will lead you to bondage, satan and ultimately hell. Paganism = demonology.

    • Christine Guinn

      Most of Christianity is stolen from paganism.

      • jcauldren

        A pretty nifty performance by God, eh?
        Consuming those beliefs in false gods giving those who believed in those false gods a path to the one, true and ever-living God of Abraham.
        As Gods go, it’s clear there is no other to match His performance; wouldn’t you say?
        Name one that could even come close.

        • Shamus Maloney

          Pretty nifty for men that wanted to consolidate power; wouldn’t you say?

          • jcauldren

            That is a possibility as well, I admit it.
            The trick is finding which view is true, eh?

          • Yeah, Obama’s a Muslim

            If that was their aim, they failed pretty miserably, seeing as how most of the early apostles were martyred. They should have definitely come up with a different scam, if it was as you say, a scam.

          • Ephesians Sword

            How does one consolidate power when he is crucified or stoned or burned at the stake? Just curious!

        • Ephesians Sword

          Those “false gods” are all to real. Read Psalm 82 and Deuteronomy 32. The Divine Council is referenced here and these were not angels. This is the origin of your ancient pantheons. Ephesians 6:10-18 speaks of Principalities and powers in Heavenly places. These are not men, nor are they what most would call satan or demons.

          • yhoshua

            What? The term “sons of god” actually is used multiple times in the OT and it always refers to angelic beings (see Job for examples).

            And Deuteronomy 32:17 explicitly equates the “gods” you’re referring to, to “devils” or “demons.” You’re directly contradicting the plain text of the passages you’re using as proof texts.

      • Gleimhart Supremacist™

        You present a most persuasive argument!

    • Horus

      Considering you define anything but Christianity as “Paganism”, you would be right.

    • 10thGenerationAmerican

      Those searching for an escape from sin will only find themselves wallowing in it deeper than ever before. Most, if not all, of these Satanists have heard the Word of God or know the story of Jesus. They shall still be held accountable for their sins just like the rest of us Christians. The human soul seeks for answers that we cannot understand or recreate. It seeks God’s love and mercy, Christ’s sacrifice and forgiveness, and people will find any vice to cover up what is innate about all of mankind. We are ALL made in God’s image every single one of us. The really unfortunate part is evil’s use of changing context to support and promote the practice of the worship of the First of the Fallen. Worshiping the sun or moon or Earth or even elevating mankind to deification are all blatant rejections of God. Not worshiping Him is the very essence of worshiping evil. Man is inherently evil without God who is always good.

      • Frog Legs

        Learn your theology. Man’s inherently evil even with God, that’s why Christianity teaches that we need forgiveness.

    • Gleimhart Supremacist™

      Modern so-called “Christian” churches abandoned Whites long before Whites abandoned the churches.

    • Sara Lee

      Well considering that Paganism was happening a couple Thousand years prior to Christianity….what can you expect when people are searching for their roots and a Belief System that is a way of life rather than a life of ‘pick and choose’ from a book????

    • Francis

      facebook and youtube too much of it is pagan worshiping…pagan worship is actually idol worship where you spend your time is what you worship.

    • Gary

      So millennials are exchanging one form of superstitious nonsense…..for another form of superstitious nonsense.
      Sound just like a millennial!
      But they need to blame it all on boomers to make it really millennial!

    • It’s always about that pesky “sin” thing.
      It grates on the ears, and cuts the heart, to hear that one has SIN.
      .
      The only way to get that sin erased is to believe in the Son of God.
      After that, you will find you want to do as he says.

    • שילה בן אדם

      Numbers 23:19
      God is not a man that He should lie, nor is He a mortal that He should relent. Would He say and not do, speak and not fulfill?

      Don’t be a blasphemer..! JC is not Divinity incarnate. That would contradict the first and second of the 10 declarations (commandments) of the Holy Creator.

      Divinity has no form. The Eternal is sovereign and beyond creation. There is no god other than the One Holy Creator. We may be able to hear the Eternal’s voice, like Moses with the burning bush, or in the fire above Mt. Sinai, but Divinity has no image!

    • The Manz

      Paganism has existed throughout history because the devil’s offspring have always been on earth, far longer than the race of Yahweh has been here. When the true Israelites figure out who they are, Yahshua will return. They are now the minority on the planet and are a pure race, no integrated DNA with the mongrels. Mongrelized people will see the lake of fire.

  • Calvin Durdarand

    Yeah, they’re supposed to turn from God, it was foretold a looooong time ago. It’s call a prophesy and the Bible has a 100% accuracy rate, where the prophesies can be investigated.

    • crusader

      Prots turned away from the church and God hundreds of years ago chances are this isnt special

  • Jack Jones

    What did they expect to happen when the left wing liberals and Communist removed God and the 10 Commandments from schools? Our country was founded on this and the left wing has manipulated the minds of these young fools to live their lives without morals, discipline, learning right from wrong, respect for others, higher values and living a life helping others. Instead, we have brainwashed kids who seek attention, taking selfies, lacking respect, no discipline, selfish, lackadaisical mentality and easily led by peer group pressure. No wonder the USA has fallen far behind other countries in educational leadership. When we instilled these principles from the Bible, America was leading the world in all areas of education. Now, with the left wing agenda manipulating our education system, America falls back each year and the younger generation embraces Satan. Paganism must be the new Goth look and their attempt at grabbing attention with the latest fad……

  • Don Holt

    “There is no sense of sin”. That is because God , the Bible, and prayer was removed from our educational system. Youth are desperately seeking their need for a relationship with the True and Living God with absolutely no idea how to establish such Supernatural connection, hence we get Satanic worship.

    • Christine Guinn

      That rather depends on WHO gets to decide what is “sinful”, doesn’t it? What makes any one religion more valid than another, (aside from their adherents’ faith in them.)

      • Philosopher Zero

        I hope you apply the same skepticism to liberals’ condemnation of “racism,” “sexism” and “homophobia.” Who are they to decide what’s wrong?

      • crusader

        The fact that pagan faiths have no valid evidence judism was overridden and islam is a lie

  • strayaway

    Kind of a religious renaissance faire or Kwanza in which everyone makes stuff up and links it to hand chosen factoids or fantasies of the past.

  • Mr. Mojo Risin

    the mythology fed to us for thousands of years is not the work or words of god, it is the work and words of men. I believe that most folks are waking up to this fact that organized religion, of any religion is evil to the core. Religion was first introduced to control other men and women. Remember, most folks were ignorant and believed everything the church of rome told them. More evil has been done in this world in the name of a benevolent, loving god than any other acts of evil. I think what we are witnessing are folks coming to their senses about religion, recognizing that god did not make religion, man did and man did it to control other men. How vain is a god that commands his followers to murder other people, form hate groups and keep people other than who is in your flock down. Modern organized religions are dinosaurs and it is time for them to go extinct.

    • Don Holt

      Sounds like propaganda really influenced you. Try thinking for yourself. Jesus Christ is the same Yesterday, Today, and Forever while your whims shift with the wind

      • Mr. Mojo Risin

        dogma does not imprison me unto false thought……

        • Catlove

          No you just make it up as you go.

        • Don Holt

          At least your yin yang logo fits your thought processes.

      • Betty Black

        Actually No. Yeasterday Jesus (I assume we mean ancient history Jesus. Was a
        Dark skinned Jewish man from the desert). Today’s Jesus is white and republican.
        Pretty big difference there.

    • Catlove

      Only when politicians take over the organizing of churches. Atheism in the last hundred years has likely killed more people than any organized religion

      You also speak of “evil”. Interesting.

      • kagil

        The human brain has an innate sense of right and wrong. No on “needs” any religion for that.

    • Philosopher Zero

      You’re quite misguided.

  • Catlove

    New Age religion is not new; it is as old as the first lie: “Ye shall not surely die”.

  • lilithwhyte

    Will mom’s basement be big enough for a pagan church?

  • Smoak

    Liberalism + satanism = the time we live in now.

    • Philosopher Zero

      Try this one: Liberalism=Satanism.

      • Smoak

        Simpler and more accurate!

    • NYCBullDog

      Paganism is not the same as satanism.

      • crusader

        All religions that arent the pre vatican 2 catholic faith are of the devil

  • Selwyn Duke

    As a journalist who often writes about philosophy and spiritual matters, I want to weigh in. It’s important to understand the main reasons paganism is gaining popularity. A clue is found here: “There is no one holy text we all must read, there is no organized church service which is mandatory to attend, there is no concept of original sin or any pressure to be perfect people. Paganism is exactly what you want it to be.”

    Among other things, these neo-pagans are putting a pseudo-spiritual veneer on hedonism. An out-and-out hedonist is more intellectually honest.

    • frgough

      Hedonism has always been a prominent component of the various pagan religions.

    • 2mrixl1

      They get to have orgies and “spirituality” too.

    • Vichara

      Regarding investigation of main reason and the quote you cite. I think you are onto a central point that has more to do with ‘the self-sovereignty of man’, (the great moral and political philosopher Aurel Kolnai’s term – the view that man in his ordinary consciousness is the highest authority, more creator of his world than the receiver and custodian of a world) than it has to do with hedonism, or where hedonism is a secondary outgrowth or expression of self-sovereignty. To explore this further see Kolnai’s essays ‘The Humanitarian versus the Religious Attitude’(1944); ‘The Meaning of the “Common Man”’ (1949). Also, to understand the attraction and rise of pantheism in America see the excellent essay:
      ‘Uncovering the Metaphysics of Democracy: Individualism, Pantheism, and Nihilism in the Thought of Alexis de Tocqueville‘, online in pdf.

  • Flechette

    If Millennials want to dance around a fire and pretend to cast spells on each other then let them.

    It isn’t the end of the world.

    Really, it isn’t.

  • Big Whiskey

    Young Americans who have time to dance in the desert beneath the full moon are sheltered, clueless, children.

    • Rick Sullivan

      The worship of the “Burning Man” Zozobra.

  • johnthekiwi

    Believe in what you want to believe in. It is all BS. When you are dead you are gone forever. Deal with it. If dancing around a fire is your way of dealing with it then that is ok by me. I just wish the pagan chicks were hot. Most of these Wiccan types look like SciFiCon rejects.

    • Don Holt

      Hope that eased your Conscience that God instilled in your heart?
      Keep staying in denial or perhaps a better choice would be to search for the truth?

      • johnthekiwi

        I’m a biotech scientist. I live in the real world. I can rapidly evolve new capabilities for organisms through techniques that have been perfected since a monk started playing around with the concept. I’m constantly seeking the truth. The truth is humans are terrified of their mortality. For the vast, vast majority of our existence life has been brutal, short and agonizing. Religion is a great way for the powers that be to keep the masses quiet. Telling a bunch of barely sentient serfs that all their misery would be taken away in heaven if they just served the church/king/queen endlessly on this mortal coil worked for centuries. Then science showed up and proved what a bunch of bunk it was. I don’t have the answers to the mystery of life in part because I don’t think it is a mystery and it is far above our pay grade to solve. When one of you believers can finally answer the question “who made God?” with something other than “he was always there” then we can talk. Blind Faith to me was Clapton, Baker, Winwood and Grech not an edict to live by.

        • Eric

          God wasn’t made, he’s always existed as an immeasurable spirt being. Infinity is difficult for our finite minds to comprehend, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t real. Either the godless universe is infinite or Jehovah God Himself is. I choose to have faith in God, as evolution has been shown to be a lie (IMHO). I’m not looking to argue with you, or anyone, but the fossil record shows zero transitionary animals. The RNA theory isn’t very well supported. The “science” of carbon dating is deeply flawed. Science has been corrupted by special interests. The Bible teaches us that Satan rules the world at present (1 John 5:19). So, his minions have influence over most people. Whether they know who they’re serving or not is irrelevant, as ignorance of the Law is no excuse for breaking it.

          • johnthekiwi

            Okay Eric. Well have fun in the everlasting afterlife basking in His glory on a cloud somewhere. Say hello to any of the atoms that I used to be composed of as they randomly drift by in whatever new molecular form they have taken.

          • Eric

            I enjoyed your reply. Lol I don’t plan on living in the clouds. I believe God created the Earth for humans to inhabit. As for your atoms… if you choose to relinquish them back to God… maybe a few will be used to resurrect my dad? So I’ll thank you in advance.

        • frgough

          For someone who claims to be constantly seeking the truth, you seem awfully eager to declare you’ve found it; search over.

          • johnthekiwi

            The truth as in things that are provable. Since the existence of a deity or deities is impossible to prove I have simply decided to ignore the possibility and move on pragmatically. My thesis on why religion is accepted by many sort of plays out historically don’t you think? Science, not faith, has made life better for many people on the planet. People realize this and start to drift away from things that require faith to things that are actually tangible. If God really wants to test peoples faith he has surely caused enough landslides, earthquakes, floods, famines, wars, disease outbreaks, infant deaths and Marvel movie sequels to do so. He/she/it/they can stop any time now. Perhaps in the absence of all these things people will gravitate back to conformist spirituality?

        • Don Holt

          We’ll talk when you can replicate or demonstrate ONE instance of macro evolution.

          • johnthekiwi

            Sure Don. Just let me settle down in a comfy spot for ten million years so I can document the down sizing of squirrels to better adapt to trees with weaker limbs. In the mean time if you could show me credible evidence of people walking on water, turning water into wine, feeding a throng with a few loaves of bread and a couple of fish or making the blind see (literally, not figuratively) then I will consider it a push. See you in 10,002,017.

        • Rick Sullivan

          Here is an answer for modern man overwhelmed by the problem of being, by knowing that something is there and yet not being able to understand it. Everything which has being, except God Himself, rests upon the fact that God willed and brought it into creation. With this I understand why Being is there and why it has form, and I understand that particular part of being which I myself am and the “mannishness” (personality) that I find in me. Things fall into place, not through a leap in the dark, but through that which makes good sense and can be discussed. Once and for all, God did create the Being of the external world and man’s existence. They are not God and they are not an extension of God, but they exist because of an act of the will of that which is personal and which existed prior to their being.
          (Francis A. Schaeffer, Genesis In Time and Space, Ch. 1)

  • Whoaboy

    The nice thing is wiccan chicks usually put out and are freaky in the rack

    • kagil

      The men work at being good lovers too.

    • Rick Sullivan

      The workings of the reprobate mind.

  • Eric

    My son is unfortunately drifting down this road. As a doctor, I used to believe in evolution, until I researched it fully. It’s got very little scientific evidence… only circular logic and outright false claims. So, I tell my son… if evolution is a lie, then the only alternative is a Creator. I’ve read the Koran, studied Eastern religions and finally came home to the Bible. The Koran is actually based on the Bible in many areas, as Muhammad was taught by a Catholic priest. When the Bible’s prophesies are studied and compared to factual world events… the proof is undeniable. Yet, teenagers like my son won’t believe. He claims the God of the Bible was mean, arrogant and picked on pagan religions… I simply tell him, it’s God’s universe… he can do whatever he pleases with it. Luckily, every person who has died up until the last day will be resurrected for life or judgment.

    • Philosopher Zero

      With all due respect, your son needs to hear some good philosophy, not just that God can do whatever He pleases with the Universe (this is true, but cuts no ice with those who reject God). Without a proper grounding in philosophy, people can believe anything.

      • Eric

        Thanks. I encourage him to read everything… good and bad, so he can form his own opinion. As of now, he’s an atheist. I take comfort that at 15, he still has many years to mature as knowledge increases in him.

        • Philosopher Zero

          Here’s a good place for him to start: http://selwynduke.typepad.com/selwyndukecom/2002/09/the-nature-of-right-and-wrong.html

          Tell your son that if there’s no God, there can’t be anything “wrong” with picking on pagan religions. And the article above explains why. The notion that there’s no God correlates with amorality.

        • Novan Leon

          Knowledge isn’t going to save him. He needs to realize his own sins, repent and turn to Jesus Christ. This sometimes means being brought to a point so low and filled with despair that he’s desperate to find a way out. Teach him the truth about Christ when he’s young and he will remember when things get bad and hopefully reach out to the Lord at that time.

          • Philosopher Zero

            “Knowledge isn’t going to save him.” The early Christians, who studied philosophers such as Aristotle and Plato intensely, would have parted company with you.

            No, knowledge won’t save him, but it may lead him to what will.

          • Novan Leon

            Knowledge didn’t save them either, and suggesting so would almost certainly have offended and grieved them. You even admitted it yourself.

            Anyone who thinks the pursuit of knowledge and study leads to Christ hasn’t been paying attention to the state of academia and intellectuals for the last two thousand years.

  • Lilac4

    They can explain their choice of Paganism when they meet Jesus.

    • seanster5977

      Actually many pagans do believe in Jesus Christ.

      • kagil

        Many revere Christ, and many are conservative politically. If they didn’t have to live in the closet for fear of mainly, Christian, persecution, it would be harder to stereotype them.

        • Toto Mango

          There have always been mixed pagan-Christian religions, even as far back as the first century Church. This is nothing new. However, there is only one Gospel, and one Christ. And only one way to the Father, and that is through Christ. Salvation requires total surrender to Christ’s Lordship as savior. Christ Himself said that there would be many who would try to get into the sheepfold (His Kingdom), via other ways. He made it clear that the *only* way into His Kingdom is through and by Him; He is the door through which we must all pass. His Holy Spirit cannot dwell in us if we mix our faith in Him with false gods. This is what Christ taught; so either you truly accept His teachings, or you do not.

        • chuckles

          Satan believes in Jesus, but he’s still going to hell. You must be reborn to become a Son of the living God. Sons of men will not enter Heaven. There are people that say they are Christians that aren’t. Isa 4:1 speaks to that. There are people that will say “Didn’t we cast out demons in your name and prophesy in your name?” and Jesus will say He never knew them. IN another verse it says they will say “Didn’t we eat and drink in your presence? and Jesus will say get away from me you workers of iniquity. The eating and drinking is taking Communion. These are church goers, or as I call them pew sitters. This is why we are admonished to see if we are in the faith before we partake of Communion. There are wise virgins and foolish virgins in Matt 25. Virgins are always church members. You have servants that do what their Master says while He’s gone, and others that get drunk and beat the fellow servants. ( getting drunk here means doing worldly things, not just drinking)
          In Isa 4:1, ther 7 women are churches and they go after one man,..Jesus. They eat their own bread( make up their own doctrine not in the Bible), and wear their own garments( call evil good and good evil). The only garment you can wear in Heaven is the one Jesus gives us, His righteousness. But they want to be called by His name( Christian) so they won’t have reproach. They are really Satan followers but being called Christian sounds better. Going to church doesn’t save you. If you believe sodomites can marry, killing babies is OK with God, fornication and adultery is OK because it’s the 21st century. lying is OK if it gets you out of trouble, stealing is OK if its after a hurricane, ect ect, then you are making up your own god in your head and carving out an idol that IS NOT the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. We don’t get to make up a God that we want, but must follow the God of the Bible. Jesus is the way, the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the father except through Him. Knowing about Him isn’t enough.

      • Paul Kersey

        If they believed in Jesus, they wouldn’t be pagans.

        • Philosopher Zero

          Well, Satan believes in Jesus, too.

  • david

    Just another way of saying they are worshiping Lucifer who has been defeated by Jesus and he knows it. He is just trying to get as many souls that he can to join him in hell at the appointed time by the creator of this universe. It is sad, but the Bible does say that the majority of humans will be fooled by the great deceiver.

  • SUEBON

    And this is why our country is being shot to shiit. If there is NO GOD you have no inner beauty. NO SOUL. NO MORALS.

  • seanster5977

    Everyone needs to follow their own path to faith and self-conscientiousness. One thing as a Christian I don’t like is when one faith (or lack of belief in a higher deity) belittles another’s beliefs. That said, it gets difficult when faith and conscientiousness are combined with cult mentality.

    • Philosopher Zero

      “Everyone needs to follow their own path to faith and self-conscientiousness.”

      That’s a modern American idea, not a traditionally Christian one.

      “One thing as a Christian I don’t like is when one faith (or lack of belief in a higher deity) belittles another’s beliefs.”

      Then we can’t even condemn Satanism.

      • seanster5977

        Like I said, I am Christian. I believe that Jesus Christ, has been here and will return. But I can’t make anyone else see that. Just as I can’t make the worlds muslim population denounce and repudiate all violence and end any terrorism. No I don’t believe that satan worshipers are a big threat in the modern world either, so I tend to leave some fights to others.

        • Philosopher Zero

          Then you overlook that for every Satan worshiper, you have thousands of other people worshiping something that is Satanism in a different guise.

          • seanster5977

            And you overlook reality. Satan may be your target in life, not mine. So you can worry and war against your own problems, but I won’t call you a moron or belittle that path, you can try and belittle me, but it won’t change my faith.

          • Philosopher Zero

            Well, Dirty Harry did more than sit on the sidelines. The Bible itself states that if you do not warn a wicked man of his wicked ways, you will be condemned also.

          • seanster5977

            The bible seems to say a lot of things to a lot of people. I don’t believe everyone’s own interpretation. I say don’t spit down my back and tell me it’s raining mister.

          • Izula

            It’s a torn path, you’re forced to decide between being passive or aggressive. It’s one I still haven’t been able to decide on myself. I see what standing idle has done, but I also see what in history details the aggressive disposition, the same holy wars that still exist and the blood that spills. But even Jesus said to sell your cloak and buy a sword. What will holy war do if we engaged? I don’t know. All religions are the enemies of another, do we do nothing out of hopes that the fires will die on their own and concede defeat in the process should it escalate? Our culture is dying as a result, but we still breathe. Does the war start to salvage our culture serve to beget a victory borne on the edge of blade and bullet sound any better? Again, I don’t know. That’s my take, how I interpret his passiveness so I feel I understand.

          • kagil

            Worship and greed for money and power over others seems like the real Satanic threat to me. This strange drive to surveil masses and try to know as much as “God” goes hand in hand with it.

          • Philosopher Zero

            The way matters seem to you and what reality is may be two different things.

      • kagil

        You could condemn Satanism on any criminal behavior it inspired or condoned, if it did conspire or condone any. Satanism, to me, looks like athiesm with anger and a twisted sense of the sacred.

        • Philosopher Zero

          If your focus is only the “criminal,” you’re missing a lot. A person of faith’s focus is the moral and immoral, not the legal and criminal. Slavery was legal at one time.

  • Flechette

    Plenty of religious countries have collapsed.

    Our problems are not from Millennials dancing around campfires.

    • Philosopher Zero

      Of course plenty have collapsed because all civilizations eventually do. But it’s only in the atheistic countries that collapse was preferable to the continued existence of the state (see the USSR et al.).

      • Flechette

        That doesn’t make sense.

        Typo?

        • Philosopher Zero

          No, it makes absolute sense.

        • Philosopher Zero

          I shouldn’t have to elaborate, but the point is that when the USSR collapsed, it was a great thing that led to a better society and greater freedom.

        • Philosopher Zero

          Every atheistic nation that has ever existed (a 20th-century phenomenon) — the USSR, Cambodia ’75-’79, North Korea, Cuba, etc. — has been a tyrannical hellhole. Do you think that’s mere coincidence?

          • Flechette

            There are plenty of religious hell holes too.

            I do not see a correlation.

          • Philosopher Zero

            Well, then you don’t have much of a brain.

          • Flechette

            Ok, you really convinced me that you are correct…

            Have a nice day.

          • kagil

            “Afghanistan”

  • Izula

    It’s the natural path of the largely liberal population that follow it. My rebellious liberal self of the past saw it as enlightening and liberating, but until recent years, I saw that it brought death of the American culture and gave birth to the hedonistic lifestyle that is propagating encouragement to indulge in the senses that has been leading to the widespread epidemic of STDs and rampant drug use, the eschewing of more wholesome values and invitation to the enemy of our culture. I spent 16 years on a spiritual journey seeking peace and enlightenment, for answers, and while I did not emerge with nothing to show, without newfound knowledge of cultures and people, it was my journey through the wilderness. I made full circle just over a year ago after a long time of study and my own personal musings.

  • Susan Garcia

    This is why when my daughter was in elementary school I didn’t allow her to read Harry Potter books. Parents thought I was crazy. I knew. The books seem harmless, but it is enough for their curious minds to delve further into witchcraft and paganism. The liberals took a God out of our schools, now our kids our looking for something to fill their hearts.

    • 2mrixl1

      Amazing to me how undisciplined parents are about what their children see and read. Prime example is when parents will let kids see anything that has word Disney attached.

    • Personmed Ansikte

      Yeah, when I was a kid they had the same argument against Dungeons & Dragons, and those books were burned in many places as well, as their ideological ancestors did back in the 1930s and ’40s.

      • Philosopher Zero

        Actually, the Nazis were great fans of paganism — and hated Christianity.

        I get your point, but it’s not valid. Let’s see if you get my point.

        • Rick Sullivan

          Bonhoffier?

      • Susan Garcia

        Didn’t say burn books or the such, I was pointing out that I was being a responsible parent. I went to a book store on or about the day one of the Harry Potter books was released. Want to know what I saw? A table with several books from the series along with a box and inside witchcraft tokens and the symbol of satanism. Pretty much shook me up. I kept thinking, “how many parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles, etc. would go there to buy a birthday present and see the book along with the witchcraft things and buy them together thinking that it was cute.” I am confident most kids wouldn’t end up satanist or witches, it is the fact that it is there and real and we need to protect our children. I told my daughter at the time “when you turn 18 , you can read them , because you will be an adult. She is 20 years old and hasn’t read them and has no desire to read them.

    • NYCBullDog

      “Cuckoo Cukoo Cukoo”

    • Christine Guinn

      The books ARE harmless. As a matter of fact, the books have a valuable lesson about the power of love. (It’s Snape’s love for Lilly Potter, his childhood friend, that drives him to betray Voldemort and protect Harry throughout the series. It’s Lilly’s love for Harry that protects him when Voldemort comes to murder him as an infant.)

      It’s you and your idiocy that is harmful.

      • Rick Sullivan

        the works of Rowling and that the Harry Potter books are training manuals for the occult. Untold millions of young people are being taught to think, speak, dress and act like witches by filling their heads with the contents of these books. Children are obsessed with the Harry Potter books that they have left television and video games to read these witchcraft manuals.

    • Rick Sullivan

      C. S. Lewis famously noted mystic.

  • Bartthedog

    This actually funny. The snowflake millenials are engaging in magical thinking because they’re too stupid to get anything done!

  • looneytoonsindville

    This is the ultimate outcome of Marxist socialism; “From each according to his ability, to each according to his need” violates “Thou shalt not covet”. Look at what has happened in the UK under socialism! Under Communism (the ultimate form of Marxist socialism) religion is outlawed! I visited the Soviet Union back in its heyday. All churches were either shuttered or operating as museums. For example, St. Isaacs in Leningrad (St. Petersburg) was a museum to its own construction! Those citizens who practiced religion under the Communist regime were subject to banishment in the gulag, if caught! Not exactly a welcoming, tolerant society. This is where our country is headed!

  • trudat

    In the absence of leadership, direction and a moral compass, the animal called human gets lost very quickly. And when you are lost, you are easily manipulated and get drawn into things you otherwise would avoid.

  • Michael Fallon

    It started in the late 1940s, when undercover Marxists infiltrated our schools, colleges, and universities. Sex, drugs and rock and roll followed. The sexual revolution, and the radical feminist movement. Although there were a small number of positives, that came from these movements, the big goal was to destroy America from within. Out of these movements came Occult religions, coming more out into the open, but had been previously unseen for centuries. Unfortunately many Christian churches were also watered down, by these influences. I am not surprised, since Bible prophesies point to these changes. 1 Timothy 4:1. When young people, who may have had a Christ centered life, prior to going to a secular college, that teaches secular humanism, fall victim to it.

  • 2mrixl1

    The real appeal of paganism is, you can have your cake and eat it too. You can be “spiritual” but sexually licentious at the same time.

  • Hallmark

    In the words of one mr Homer Simpson… “God bless those pagans!”

  • 2×4

    Paganism, the oldest religion, is easy. This is one way in which America will be brought down from within. Lord have mercy on the fate of this nation.

  • Personmed Ansikte

    They’re not “ditching religion.” They’re choosing a religion different than the one you all follow.

  • Jus Wundrin

    Satan knows that his time is short.

    • Personmed Ansikte

      …and has been for the many centuries people like you have been making these predictions.

      • Jus Wundrin

        Yet you think that it seems like yesterday that you were just a kid, and now youre old and grey.

  • Times Up

    Big businesses, the environment, etc are not the underlying causes for the rise of paganism in America and the world. The real reason is best described in Romans 1: 18-32

    • Personmed Ansikte
      • Jus Wundrin

        Abortion kills over 3000 babies in the US daily.

      • Times Up

        “The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.“ Psalm 14:1

        • Personmed Ansikte

          “I’m going to quote from the Bible as a means of defending the Bible’s legitimacy!” – people who don’t understand WHY their beliefs hold no weight.

          • Times Up

            It’ all Truth…….but all one needs do is look around you, anyone with an ounce of common sense can see God’s hand in everything created……even deep down inside, you too know God is real, that’s why you’re so miserable and feel you’re more intelligent and wise.
            No, my friend……you’re not smarter or wiser, and one day WE will all stand before a Thrice holy God and give an account of our lives…….yes even this communication. And all that will matter is if we have received Jesus, God’s Son as a propitiation for our sins, or if we’ve rejected Him…..be very careful my friend.

          • Personmed Ansikte

            I adore when Christians tell me I’m miserable, especially since I have read the *entire* Bible and they have not.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e1eca0f3be6c5f03390142f87bbae35dbc9baa371d28e707401dfcd9a1087d0c.jpg

  • Defiant

    LMAO! The absurdity of “Millennials” knows no bounds…

  • Rumplestiltskin

    You sniveling religionist are disgusting. Did you morons happen to forget what Christian religious fanatics did during the Inquisitions? You show me one Wiccan who has committed anything near to what you Christians have done in the name of our God. Also Astrology is not a religion you dummkopfs.

    By today’s standards your God Yahweh would be considered a psychopath, and yet here you idiots are, following his dictates as did the Jews in their 40 year killing spree while wandering in the desert taking out any village which did not get down on their collective knees and worship the ground that nut bag was carried over in his golden box.

    AND HERE IS THE CLINCHER: You also forgot where the use of your GD Christmas trees came from. From pagan religious practices in Northern Europe in the middle ages. But you see that doesn’t fit your narrative of trying to shame anything and anyone who does not believe in idiocy you believe in.

    Christianity is loosing because it no longer servers a growing educated nation who look to logic to solve their issues and will not buy into fairy tales aimed at ignorant 10 year olds. It is time for Americans to put away their childish toys and walk into adulthood without all the preconceived notions of a supposed heaven and hell.

    Humans already have an understanding of what altruism is and how it helps the tribe stay healthy, and it was not the bible which gave this aspect to our nature. Humans are tribal animals and act in support of their tribes safety and well being.

    • Jus Wundrin

      Man is sinful, Christ was not.

      • Rumplestiltskin

        So, even if he killed someone he would be sinless eh? How about when he went into the temple on Passover and overturned the money-changers tables, or killed a tree, just because. I supposed you think that is OK because he professes to be the son of God. Horse manure my friend. Pure horse manure !

        • Jus Wundrin

          He was cleaning HIS house. You do that once in awhile dont you?

    • JDA

      I’m sorry that you feel the way you do and allow the few who misconstrue what Christianity is all about, to harden your heart. It’s not about Christmas trees or killing people or forcing people to think and act a certain way. If this has been your experience, then I don’t blame you for feeling the way you do about Christianity. If you ever want to discuss further, I can send you my email address. I’m not trying to convince you otherwise. My aim is just to show you that not all “Christians” espouse what you’ve described in your post. Certainly, this was not the message of Christ. Not by a long-shot.

      • Rumplestiltskin

        Christ thought of himself as God, which by today’s standards would be thought of as possibly being a schizophrenic or a self aggrandizing narcissist. You do realize that much of what Jesus professed was what he learned from the Brahmans in India, where he spent his twenties learning of what was possible with our minds. The Indian books go much further back in time than does the bible and it is they who understood the nature of who and what we are. There is no God about it, because they describe the nature of Aliens and what the Aliens knew of the universe outside our little world of earth.

    • Bert

      Mr. Stiltskin, re: “Humans already have an understanding of what altruism is and how it helps the tribe stay healthy, and it was not the bible which gave this aspect to our nature,” I posit never a truer thing’s been said, that humans have a tribal understanding of altruism and that that didn’t come from the Bible. Tribal altruism is the scourge of the human species for it breaks us up into “people” (my tribe) and “less than people” (those other tribes). What’s understandably difficult to imagine is that the source of a higher and therefore true altruism choose a tribe to introduce a philosophy, if you will, that if followed, would transcend tribalism. The Christian take on this is that unfortunately man, even the men of this desert tribe, cannot follow this philosophy because, essentially, he is in too deep to it, this tribal altruism, and that it’ll take something extraordinary to transform this seemingly untransformable being, man. Something from outside of man. From the one who created him and intended him to be like that tribe-transcending Good Samaritan. Methinks all of the violations of supposed Christians or other Golden Rule believers against their neighbors have occurred because they, the perpetrators, have reverted to, or never really abandoned, tribal altruism.

      Respectfully

      • Rumplestiltskin

        Nice try my friend, but no brass ring. The supposed root of “not being able to be truly altruistic” is first and foremost a human issue that stems from our Animalistic Territorial Imperatives, regardless of how it is intellectualized. The tribe will always come first and its size and strength is always based upon available resources.
        Our true conflict is always about a competition between our true animal natures and our intellectualization of what we believe is right, which is also based on the availability of resources. Remember; The Good Samaritan can only be such if he has a full belly, otherwise he will revert to his animal nature to secure more resources. Religion has nothing to do with it. In fact religions no matter where you find it in the world has become the scourge of humanity because it is always based on a false doctrine that we must transcend our animal natures and become God-like. Humanity is not there yet and it will be many thousands of years hence forth before we, as a race are truly mature and Altruistic. You see, if religion has not managed to change the nature of the human animal in over two thousand years, we cannot expect it to do any good hence forth. Thus another avenue must be tried, and there my friend is the crux.

        • Bert

          Mr. Stiltskin, thank you for the response.

          If I’m reading you right, you are stating again that altruism is tribal altruism, not only because of our, “Animalistic Territorial Imperatives,” but also because of our, “intellectualization,” which it seems you posit is just another means of arguing for tribal understandings of altruism.

          RE the Good Samaritan would only be a good Samaritan if he had a full belly: the story points to exactly the opposite, that he is transcending his animal (tribal) nature and is becoming more God-like (you are correct: the Christian project in a nutshell is to help people become more God-like, that is, loving of one’s neighbor, even or neighbors outside of one’s tribe, like the Good Samaritan).

          RE saying that, religion is “the scourge of humanity because it is always based on a false doctrine that we must transcend our animal natures and become God-like,” that is saying again that we are the best human beings if we remain tribal, not tribal transcending “God-like,” as exemplified by, amongst other, Jesus? Do I have that right? That you think loving neighbors outside one’s tribe is a, “scourge of humanity?”

          RE giving up religion because it hasn’t, “changed the nature of the human animal in over two thousand years,” it is true that it hasn’t changed tribal, human nature (actually human nature at its’ core is individualistic, correct? Humans only join tribes in order to take advantage of what they provide which can help the human survive, right? Or course, many religious – not all – say that our original human nature was not self-centered but loving, of truth, beauty and the good, exemplified, amongst other places, in acts of loving one’s neighbor as one’s self.) There are alot of people who would argue that religion has indeed changed their tribal human nature or better, helped their true human nature to come out and be practiced. No Christian would say that they have completely realized that tribal-transcending love but that they are, if they are practicing, on the path to that perfection, that, “God-like,”ness.

          RE “Humanity is not there yet and it will be many thousands of years hence forth before we, as a race are truly mature and Altruistic,”: it seems you are pointing to a tribe-transcending, “mature,” and “truly … Altruistic,” nature as the goal we should believe in. That doesn’t seem to match your saying above that tribal altruism is altruism. I’m confused.

          RE religion hasn’t helped us to … be more tribe-transcendingly altruisitic? …”Thus another avenue must be tried, and there my friend is the crux,”: what is that other avenue? From your statements above, it seems to say that you think that, because of an immutable human nature, it is only via tribal human nature that a tribe-transcending altruism, a changed human nature, can come about? That’s an oxymoron, isn’t it?

          I’m going to guess that you are positing that tribal human nature will only be transformed, changed, after thousands of years of materialistic evolution, that eventually a human being will come on the scene after thousands of years of natural selection favoring those who, like the Good Samaritan, is, “truly Altruistic,” that is, a human being who is not driven by tribal incentives first and foremost.

          But how can a natural selection process that depends upon tribal (ultimately self-centered) competition for limited resources ever produce something that is the opposite, a being who can indeed be, “truly Altruistic,” be loving of those outside one’s tribe, “without a full belly?”

          I’m going to guess again that you might be of a mind with Richard Dawkins who believes, if I’ve got it right, that our, “selfish gene,” will eventually evolve us to the point where we will see our best interest as operating, “unselfishly,” “truly Altruistically,” changing our tribal human nature so that we love our neighbor as we love ourselves (like that Good Samaritan). I think Dawkins is just furthering the notion of tribal altruism but with his example we will come to see that all the human race is our tribe and therefore tribal members (all of us) will treat each other with a “true Altruism.” We will “love others,” because our human nature will have been, “changed,” as the stronger, the, “truly Altruistic,” have, over thousands of years, survived. Is that maybe what you’re thinking?

          Again, I can’t see how a nature that is first and foremost (and therefore real) self-interested can bring about a change that is the opposite of itself.

          Finally, finally!, imagining that we do come to be, “truly Altruistic,” that is, not interested first and foremost in outcompeting human beings who are not members of our tribe in the race for resources but will, over thousands of years get us to a place where all our bellies are full and then we can be, “truly Altruistic,” wouldn’t our tribal altruism still exist in that the new, global, tribe (which could only come about because we would all have, “full bellies,” and there would be no need for competition for resources, right?) would simply just be a larger tribe and as such we would not be, “truly Altruistic?” Wouldn’t our immutable human nature just come back out when conditions change and resources become scarce enough to reform smaller tribes, or, perhaps, that we meet beings of a different planet or some such, and therefore, our natures would not have really changed at all?

          Thank you getting this far if you have. My rambling above has honestly been an effort to understand and imagine your position and what you propose for …. ?

          Respectfully

          PS (sorry): I’d argue that religion’s success record is not that bad as our, “tribes,” have indeed enlarged (what’s the American project if not that?) over the last two thousand years. I don’t feel very confident that “thousands of years,” of materialistic evolution (and I’d say it’s more like tens of thousands or hundreds, millions!, of years for the natural selection process to produce, “true Altruism.” – again, I can’t see such a thing as even possible, logically) could do any better. We truly do need, because our materialistically immutable nature, a non-materialistic change agent, a spiritual change agent, to help us change. The key there, the, “crux,” there, is in that phrase, “help US,” in that we will have to choose to transcend our tribal altruism (as the Good Samaritan did) before any transcendent, non-materialistic, spiritual change agent can help us, for love can only happen via free will. Materialistic evolution cannot produce, “true Altruism,” human nature transcending love, because it does not engage free will, does it? Materialism denies free will completely, doesn’t? Our actions are all determined by things existing and acting in our past, ala the fluttering of butterfly wings?

          I don’t know. I’m with Puddleglum (you know the C.S. Lewis Chronicles of Narnia character? Look up his speech. It is the most important moment in all the books, methinks – the moment before the speech. And don’t kid yourself; those are children’s books but they are loaded with the examination of the very question(s) we are musing about here.

          Again, Respectfully

          Dang it, I just thought of a book by Joel Kotkin (a great writer on urbanism, now) that I picked up eons ago at a garage sale called, “Tribes,” wherein he poses that we are entering a new age of very large, “tribes,” based on language, cultural and economic, “bundling,” if you will. Prophetic, methinks. But that religious project is carrying on, too, perhaps not in the West where is indeed, for the moment, dying, but it is amongst, “the poor in spirit,” in Africa, China and many other fly-over places filled with, “deplorables,”… Anyway, you might like the book.

          Again and again! Respectfully

    • Vichara

      You’re certainly not alone in what you express and summarize well. But it comes from being steeped in the modern outlook. And the suggestion to see into that outlook isn’t an argument for ‘going back’ to a traditional or religious view but to fathom the difference between the two so as to see what we uncritically buy into. It is also to see into the timeless nature of the tradition view, it’s connection to the timeless. If this interests you see the writings I cite and suggest in other comments above. See also the introduction to ‘The Betrayal of Tradition’, online in pdf for overview of traditional outlook.

  • JDA

    Unfortunately, this is not surprising – sad, but not surprising. All one needs to do is read Romans 1:18-23 History tells us about the empires of Rome, Babylon and Persia. While they practiced paganism and polytheism, they all fell. Our country is headed in the same direction if we continue to push God (God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit) aside for religions that make us “feel good” and unashamed of our sin.

    • Rumplestiltskin

      Yep, you’ve actually lost your mind you ignorant fool. Get your history straight and not the BS aggregated in the bible. If you think your bible was inspired by God, then you really are an ignorant fool, because the compilation of your bible was not done by god but by men as a control mechanism and you bought into it hook line and sinker. Look up the phrase; “The Stockholm Syndrome” and get a clue !!!

      • JDA

        I just replied to your post above and did so with the utmost respect and dignity that you, as a human, deserve. I respect your opinion and understand completely why you may feel the way you do. It is obvious to me that you are a passionate and intelligent person. I also believe that you know there is a God that loves you. And He will do anything to demonstrate that love for you. In fact, He has.

        • Rumplestiltskin

          A God that loves me eh? Then tell me why everyone he supposedly directs to interact with humans has become not much more than a psychopath, such as YahWeh. First you must understand that humanity is no more than an experiment in genetics by an advanced alien species. They have no more love for us than a scientist experimenting with rats in a maze, even though he may pull one out now and then to pet and check on its health.

          The story is much more complicated than I have the space or the time to go into here, but suffice it to say you will not find the answers we are looking for as a race, in a book over two thousand years old.

  • Fellow Traveller

    Good! Xity and Islam and Judaism are religions the world will be better without!

    • Rumplestiltskin

      Thank you. Finally someone with a brain in their head. Well stated Fellow, short and succinct !

    • Jus Wundrin

      Communist atheism has killed 10s of millions up until this moment, and will kill more tomorrow and on.

      • Fellow Traveller

        The God of the Bible has slaughtered millions. You should be ashamed to call yourself a morally upright person if you worship that monster.

        • Jus Wundrin

          God gave man free will.

        • chuckles

          It’s going to get even worse for some. There will be 200,000,000 slaughtered in the Valley of Jezreel in Israel. The blood will be up to a horse’s eye for 184 miles with the blood of the people that come against God. By the time 7 years are done, a third of the earth will die. Eventually God will destroy everyone that doesn’t love Him. He’s done it before with a Flood. Today, we mock Him by using His rainbow as a sign on sodomy, the reason He destroyed Sodom and 3 more cities eons ago. But as it was in the days of Noah and as it was in the days of Lot, that’s what it will be like When He comes again to claim His people and His land.

  • kagil

    I just love it-not- when they let one religion define another one.
    Why not ask a Wiccan or Pagan what they believe? Chances are they will not say they believe that they are a God/Goddess!

  • mikehammack

    Wow, from reading these comments one would think that the lot of you have been wronged by us “pagans” when the truth is the shoe has mostly been on the other foot for a thousand or so years…

    • Fellow Traveller

      shh…the xians on here will only talk about how Islam conquered and spread by the sword. They will conveniently forget the fact that their own non-Xians ancestors were likewise terrorized by Xian invaders in the past.

      • TheSaltyMountainMan

        Actually, for its first few centuries, Christianity was persecuted and spread in the most peaceful of fashions. With Islam, the wars of expansion and calls to continue them without any specific goal or endpoint dare back the the founder. Going later, Saints Patrick, Aethelbehrt, Cuthbert, never used violence to spread the faith. The largest scale and nearly only cases of forced conversion rather than high missionary pressure in the Americas involve ending religions that practiced human sacrifice. During the Crusades, crusaders were better to local Muslims than Muslims were to Christians, as per Ibn Jubayr.

    • TheSaltyMountainMan

      Honestly, it’s not about being wrong, it’s about being sad, as poorly as some people express that. Jesus is the truth, the light, and the way, and so many are trying to cast him away for an inferior spirituality. It’s like children turning down a free vacation to the beach because they’d rather make mid pies in the slums.

      • Rumplestiltskin

        Maybe you have forgotten that we are of Alien seed. That which you call God is truly an Alien, but you ignorant fools prefer to call them Gods. At what point in our development does a person pass being a human to becoming an advance Alien species, to becoming a God. Are you actually drawing a line in the sand, saying that you cannot cross it because you did not want to further hurt the sand.

        • TheSaltyMountainMan

          So who made the aliens?

          • Rumplestiltskin

            Oh Umm…. Other Aliens? You must stop thinking of your Gods as something incomprehensible and intangible.

            No matter how far up that ascending ladder you go, those that you believe are gods are also just Aliens who are advanced so far beyond us so as to make humans appear to be no more than cockroaches.

            In the final analysis no matter how far out you go, your Gods will always be advance Aliens species.

      • mikehammack

        You say that but even still attempt several insults or are so far removed that you do not even care that you lob insults with such disregard. “Inferior spirituality” you state while offering no proof of ones on superiority or my own inferiority. “Mud pies in the slums” another insult that clearly has no intent of teaching us “sad inferior” “pagans” a better way.. There is a place for you in my religion while clearly there is only a lesser place for me in your belief system.

        • TheSaltyMountainMan

          There’s a wonderful place for you in my belief system: as a child of God! You could accept Jesus Christ and accept him right now, because He loves you enough that He died for you personally and calls you His.

          If being beholden to a Sovereign God is a lesser place, than yes, it is a lesser place, one of humble love rather than of a pantheistic grab at godhood in a stumbling search for identity.

          • mikehammack

            I do actually believe in Christ to the best of my ability as it stands to represent a goodly part of human nature, for starters. In your belief system it seems I must believe as you do and do as you do… In my faith you may come as you are.. In my faith, your faith has value and is just as high as the others.. In my faith we must learn to treat our fellow people with a higher level of respect and understanding. My ways are not as you describe nor do I seek identity or godhood, just wisdom and love in life which I have found and seek to share with others.

          • TheSaltyMountainMan

            Well, Christ called himself the Son of God. He wouldn’t recant to save His life. So he was a lunatic (not a great guy to follow), a liar (not worth following), or the Son of God. He cannot just be a great teacher.

            There is a right answer, and you are making my pointy about seeking identity and Godhood. You don’t want to have to believe in one truth. I can’t say exactly why because I don’t know your heart. You’re offended by the possibility of having to bow to the same one truth as anyone else, your truth is more comfortable because it is not demanding. I have to stand before an all powerful God and say “yes I have failed to follow your rules, have mercy on me”. The loose pantheist does not have to say “I was wrong”. I guarantee you will be saying it when you stand before the Throne, but for now it’s easier not to. Why do that when you could cherry pick the beliefs that fit you. That would be nice, but it’s not the case. The moral law is hard and unerring and we will stand before it’s giver. Like I said, I cannot know your heart, but I believe much neopaganism (which is nowhere near up to scratch with the 3rd and 4th century AD’s pagans) stems from a need to fill the void where Jesus should go paired with a fear of having to humble yourself and not do everything the way that one would like. Any one who understands Christian theology understands that God has had mercy when we deserve judgement, so it is clearly not judgement that learned neopagans fear. It’s humility and self sacrifice; “I don’t care what the rule are, this is my truth”. There is no your truth, no my truth, only one truth, we don’t always like it, I certainly don’t, but too many of my generation will not face the music that the truth is not open to their veto.

  • theAdorableDeplorable

    And thus the slide into a new Dark Ages continues unabated. Black death plague is already on the rise and spreading. All that’s left is for the world economy to collapse under the weight of its own debt and, voila!, the new Dark Ages appear.

    Better stock up on candles and canned goods, folks. Its gonna get worse before it gets better.

  • rickmcinnis

    The Air Force Academy? Unbelievable …

  • Paul Kersey

    A true Christian does not abandon Christianity, and Christ does not abandon that Christian. For the Christian, Christ is at the center of their being. All that they do and think is anchored to Him. For the true Christian, there is always forgiveness and restoration, even if they go their own way for a period of time.

  • Matthew Kilburn

    More farce than trend. Nothing like a belief system with no set beliefs. Looks like people have realized being a hedonistic twit is unsatisfying in the long run, so now they’re trying to give it the trappings of a larger group. This too shall pass.

    There is no such thing as subjective truth.

  • scot

    Just more proof that the Bible is God’s Word. This was all predicted centuries ago.

  • NormanRockwellAmerican

    Paganism and barbarianism go hand in hand. Paganism is also just another form of anarchy. Are the neo-pagans prepared for that?

  • Ecclesiastes 10:2

    Just like the bible said it would be in the last days. We’re so close to the end – Hallelujah!

    • mdcomm

      We can only hope. God’s timing is not our timing. I fear for how bad it will get before it ends…

  • general

    Thousands of years ago, Christ said that many will fall away and all nations will hate me.
    Remember if they hate me they will hate you as well, and in the end times all nations will turn away from me and will become evil destroying everything and if I do not return , not a person shall survive.
    Prophesy then is showing up in reality by what we see going on now and in the future…

    • Rick Sullivan

      Get prayed up, and stay prayed up.

  • Erica Smith

  • MikeyParks

    This is nothing new. College kids were doing this in the late 60s. They were called hippies and had flowers in their hair and green tambourines. College kids will always be idiots.

  • Vichara

    To understand the attraction and rise of pantheism in America see the excellent essay:

    ‘Uncovering the Metaphysics of Democracy: Individualism, Pantheism, and Nihilism in the Thought of Alexis de Tocqueville‘, online in pdf.

  • Vice president of the Pagan Student Union is a little uninformed about Christianity. His statement, “[Unlike Wicca], there is no… pressure to be perfect people,” is incorrect. In Christianity, we know we are not perfect and rely on the saving grace of our savior, Jesus Christ.
    Furthermore, just as a footnote, Wiccans are notorious for their interest in and acceptance of pedophilia. Interesting how that lines up with the current liberal trend of molesting children that is slowly being exposed in Hollywood. #Spacey

    • Sledge

      The left keeps young people ignorant for a reason. Left wing environmentalism is paganism mixed with Marxism sprinkled with ignorance.

      • Vichara

        And environmentalism with pantheism. To understand the attraction and rise of pantheism in America see the excellent essay:
        ‘Uncovering the Metaphysics of Democracy: Individualism, Pantheism, and Nihilism in the Thought of Alexis de Tocqueville‘, online in pdf.

    • Christine Guinn

      Don’t recall any Wiccan child molestation scandals. I DO remember a huge one in the Catholic church though!

      • angryguy77

        I bet you’re a big Kevin Spacey fan.

  • Sledge

    Well, paganism is part of liberalism, so…

    • There certainly are a lot of similarities.

      • Sledge

        Worship of false gods such as government…and the earth…and money…

  • Jane Dowe

    Millenialls are such delusuonal morons. ‘Flockung to pagan relgions” — yeah, and most do it for attention. It’s their way if saying, “Look at me! Look at me! I’m hip and edgy! I’m a wiccan!”
    Pathetic.

    • Christine Guinn

      As opposed to just believing whatever your parents indoctrinated you to believe? If you were born in an Islamic country, you would be praying to Mecca right now, because your parents told you to, not because you chose to. If you were in China, you’d probably be Buddhist. If you were in India, you’d probably be Hindu or Sikh.

      • angryguy77

        Muslim really don’t have much of a choice if they live in an islamic country.
        You see people turn away from their faith in countries that are free, you don’t see it all that much in the islamic world.

        Spare me the indoctrination schtick. It’s tired and really arrogant. You think choosing to believe in what some scientists have theorized where we came from makes an atheist more enlightened or individually minded?

  • Sledge

    BTW, John Ferguson, Notre Dame gave Obama an honorary degree. Did ND ever take it back?

  • Grab_a_root

    Ignorance can be educated. Crazy can be medicated. But, you can’t fix stupid. Our disastrous public schools have turned ingnorant into stupid. No hope.

  • Sledge

    LOL you get to make it up as you go along: “In it, she loosely defines Wicca as “monistic and pantheistic beliefs
    that all living things are of equal value. … Humans have no special
    place, nor are they made in God’s image. … Wiccans believe that they
    possess divine power within themselves and that they are gods and
    goddesses. …Consciousness can and should be altered through rite and
    ritual.” There’s a reason it’s called dope.

  • general

    The Catholic cult is exposing it`s true colors, this along with our nation failing it`s Christian beginning.

    THE CONSTITUTION WAS MADE FOR A HOLY, MORAL, ETHICAL, CHRISTIAN PEOPLE; IT IS WHOLLY INADEQUATE FOR ANY OTHER;; JOHN ADAMS.

    Then Benjamin Franklin stated this again,, boy were our founders right in all of their writings.

    • Sledge

      And?

      • general

        Our founders said that if the people were to ever lose the understanding of this country, all documents, make unconstitutional laws, elect bad men in office it is no telling when this nation shall fall and become a by word of history.
        This nation was set up under biblical understanding, rule of law, nationalism, if this nation ever loses this bedrock it will end up on the dust heap of history…
        They knew what will work, also said if this was lost so would be this nation.

  • ptrog

    you people are so stupid. christianity IS a pagan religion.

    • Sledge

      Well GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLY! I’m so glad yew told us. Weer sew stewpidd we dint noe.

    • jeb19673

      Someone really has no idea what “pagan” is……

  • Sledge

    Speaking of rituals…

    DANCING WITH DEATH

    Plague
    is spreading because relatives are digging up their Black Death dead
    and DANCING with the corpses as part of ancient Madagascan ritual called
    Famadihana

    Madagascans
    have been told to stop the traditional practice of Famadihana – which
    sees locals dig up deceased relatives and dance with them before they
    are re-buried. It is feared the ceremony has helped spread an outbreak
    of pneumonic plague that has left more than 120 dead on the African
    island.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4807750/madagascar-plague-spreading-relatives-dancing-corpses/

  • JR48

    We are emotional, intellectual, physical and spiritual beings. When you have a void in your spiritual life, you try to fill it. No different than other generations. Pick a decade and you’ll find the latest iteration of the same old stuff. I remember being a young person, trying to recreate the wheel, only to come full circle, realizing that there is nothing new under the sun. Spend time doing something stupid, thinking that you overcame something that your stodgy parents didn’t, only to realize that you’re in a stupid group, spouting stupidity.

    My only advice is not to do it too long or you’ll look back and realize that you were an idiot, long after you can write it off as youthful exploration.

  • janger

    What is it with these freakazoids we’re calling “Millenials?” They reject all that is good, decent, honest, and traditional…Trading in our moral attributes for their self-absorbed, narcissistic, abhorrent fancy! They don’t accept the concept of self-determination, hard work, or contributing something positive to society! Instead they trivialize Christianity, for witch craft and other sordid practices! WHERE did we go wrong with these misfit, malcontents?

    • general

      We sent educators to communist colleges brought them back to teach Marxist, communist ideology to students to teach in primary school 1900`s.
      Local to county to state, to federal education NEA., then slowly taking out the system that was educating out founders ready for college by 12.
      This was successful and we see what the feds have done to destroy education to a level of secular, evil teaching. While we we asleep at the wheel they stole our children as was said to us, WE WILL TAKE OVER YOUR NATION, FIRST BY EDUCATION THEN BY DESTROYING THE RULE OF LAW.
      All communists and the traitors of this nation allowed this… The ones asleep at the wheel, even with people were saying this were voting for the evil people over and over again. Could write volumes on this alone. Go to a school see what perversion is taught from 1st to PhD level .

      • janger

        Bingo!

        • general

          TNX. It would be great if all researched our history and of the world to see the reality of the destruction going on and whom and what started it..

  • CaptainParker

    Marvelous! Let’s resurrect the worship of Bacchus, the Roman god of wine and debauchery. Orgies with college women – I love it!

    • jeb19673

      You don’t need Bacchus for that……..

      • CaptainParker

        Yea…but this way the rampant carnality and lechery are given some intellectual respectability. The ignorant Millenmial college students will never know the difference.

  • Guest

    So much for “science.”

  • Moishe Shekelberg

    This is what happens when societies institutions start breaking down and young people are automatized and isolated from their past. People get desperate and resort to Pagan LARPING because crappy entertainment culture like Harry Potter is the only culture they have ever known.

  • NYCBullDog

    Wow. Lots of Loony Tune “christians” here today.

    • Philosopher Zero

      I worry about people with NYC values.

  • Craig Hobson

    It’s not like most of the world isn’t following pagan religions that happen to be from the middle eastern desert. All religions and gods are man made.

    • Philosopher Zero

      You obviously don’t know what “pagan” means.

      • Craig Hobson

        Paganism, to warship nature. As in the four Winds, the Sun. etc.

        • Philosopher Zero

          Wrong.

          • Craig Hobson

            Most pagans did the warship nature.

          • Philosopher Zero

            Look up the word at https://www.etymonline.com/.

            And the word is “worship.” A warship is a sailing vessel the navy uses in battles.

          • Craig Hobson

            Go after the grammar when you can’t beat the argument.

    • jeb19673

      Well, I might believe you if I actually accepted you as an authority on “All religions and gods”. Which I don’t.

      • Craig Hobson

        I don’t claim to be an authority, From the Egyptian cult of Rah, the christian cult of Jesus. All religions are man made. The only thing monotheism does is cut down on the number gods you have to warship. It’s still fiction.

        • angryguy77

          And what proof do you have that it’s fiction?

          • Craig Hobson

            What do you have that it’s real? A book?

    • jcauldren

      I small a liberal arts education.
      I know you were probably told that since there are similarities in religious beliefs before events of the Bible took place means that the Abrahamic religions are copies of these older religions, but if you were allowed to think for yourself in your classroom (or dared to), you should have rightly challenged that notion.
      That Judaism or Christianity have similarities to pagan religions could be evidence of contrary views.
      Either men devised, on their own, these Abrahamic religions purely by copying
      or
      A true God sought to use the power that these pagan religions had over mankind to reveal Himself to mankind
      or
      The earlier pagan religions were created by men who were sensitive to or spiritually aware of or, more concretely, had visions of the coming Israel and its’ Christ.
      You were fed a line of “similarities = falsehood” with no other facts or certainty… and you gobbled it up?
      That’s the exact opposite of what college studies should be right?

      • Craig Hobson

        Similarities don’t necessarily equal falsehood, the desert religions have similarities because they are from the same region. A true god? To me that’s pretty arrogant when there at least 2000 plus other gods. All religions were created by men. Religion means to bind, which gets translated into community.

        • jcauldren

          2000 plus other gods that cannot come near the performance of the God of Abraham. If we could look at history of religions as we might watch Game 6 tonight of the MLB World Series… you’d have to admit that this God has blown the doors off of all other gods. He’s consumed many and is still growing to overtake atheist China and polytheistic south Asia.
          As for “similarities falsehood”… good! I’m glad you can agree. But if you leave it at that then you must be admitting that your view isn’t backed up by anything. Your line about “they have similarities because of geography” does nothing to address the fact that you cannot make this jump in logic… by mentioning geography, you only explain why you believe this logical error… it is still an error.
          For example, the American Indian tribes are full of the concept of a “Great Spirit” who is creator of all, eternal… the God of History. A spirit or power above all other spirits and powers. They include the notion of prophets of this Great Spirit who reveal the will of the Great Spirit to mankind…
          Could it be that all mankind truly has been created in the image of God and that across continents and time man continues to be sensitive to his spiritual Father and Home?
          I apologize for the “snowflake” comment.

          • Craig Hobson

            Hahahahahha, you’ve got to be kidding. It’s simple really when it comes to geography, groups of individuals that live close to or trade with are going to to pick up cultural norms from each other. That’s just how humans work. The god of history? how far back are you going, I’m pretty sure that early Homo Sapiens didn’t believe in your god because they had their own.

          • jcauldren

            How far back in history? Not far… the Sioux, the Algonquin… take a look if you like. The idea of an all powerful God, creator of the everything type being is not exclusive to the middle east.
            You yourself said it… similarity falsehood. I’ll go a step further… similar + proximity falsehood. I have to imagine that, logically, you’d have to agree with this as well. Does that help?
            Anyone who as “their god” that is not the God of Abraham has a “false” god. Mankind sees this. That’s how we get to this God having the performance He’s had that has blown the doors off those other gods. That’s a lot of people, eh? And a lot of time to keep that going, right?
            You have to admit to the superior performance, right?

          • Craig Hobson

            25,000, the start of modern man. Superior performance, what performance? David Copperfield type of performance?

          • jcauldren

            25000… so what? What does it matter how long mankind has been around before God began interacting with him? I am Catholic, I am not bound by a Creationist view of the world. Catholicism is perfectly accepting of theory of evolution.
            David Copperfield? Really? I mean performance as a god might be measured…. # of followers, duration of followers, breadth of followers (diversity), longevity, overtaking of other god’s people, etc…
            You have to admit, there has been no other god like Him, eh?

          • Craig Hobson

            So how does one measure a god’s performance, body count, miracles?

          • jcauldren

            I just gave you some ways. In those ways, I think it’s quite clear that this God of Abraham is something very special.
            I’m speaking of Him objectively. As you or I or anyone might look upon His work and critique a god.
            Can you think of another way to objectively assess a god’s “career”? Can you name any other god with the career of this God?

          • Craig Hobson

            Allowing 6 million of his chosen to be fead to the gas chamber, who wants to be associated with a god like that. I don’t.

          • jcauldren

            You are missing the point and deflecting. Can you name any god that has not seen its followers killed by people who follow other gods or beliefs?
            Additionally, as a percentage, 6 million isn’t very many compared to 2/3 of humanity.
            What’s more you neglect to mention the successes that Jewish people have had in very society on every continent. They are prolific producers and successful in many different nations, societies and ages.

          • Craig Hobson

            No i’m not missing the point. Stay in your god delusion, hope it works out for you. You’ll be rotting in the ground with the rest of us wondering where your heaven went.

  • general

    This what happens when educational systems take ( federal money ) we the peoples money, the corrupt ( federal government ) then says to get this money they must follow all rules we state and they were sucked into the money and said we bow to the god of money. What our founders said came to be as we see today a secular nation devoid of any Christian morals in time shall fall by it`s own ignorance….

    • John F

      You’re right. That’s what the Federal Government does though it’s arm, the Department of Education. However, there is nothing in the Constitution that gives the right to educate children to the Federal Government. The Department of Education is totally unconstitutional and should be eliminated immediately.

      • general

        Agreed, people need to read The North West Ordinance and see what it states about education and schools.
        This is the document by which any territory is to become a state, then and today…

        Any laws that does not follow the Constitution is null and void; George Washington…

  • Lance Blinent

    Paganism , Christianity , Judaism , Islam or any other religious franchise, its all a way for someone wearing a silly hat to make money selling a philosophy that controls people and compels them to send money to their religious leader.

    • jcauldren

      One of those things is not like the others… Christianity, Judaism and Islam all believe in the same God of Abraham.
      You don’t see any thing in that? Nearly 7 billion people on this planet for 10’s of thousands of years (not living as cavemen) and this one God has spread to every continent, every race, every age, every class for 2/3 of the mankind?
      As Gods go, this one is quite dominant, isn’t He?

      • pyramid_003

        Actually Allah is not the same god as the one revered by the Hebrews. Allah was one of the gods in the pantheon of gods that the nomadic people on the Arabian Peninsula believed in 700 years ago. Mohammad reasoned that there can only be one greatest god. They cannot be equal. He further reasoned that Allah must the greatest god because he was a “Creator God” who must have created the other gods.

        That is why they say “Allah Akbar”, “God is Greatest”, because Mohammad identified him as the greatest of the gods.

        • jcauldren

          That sounds a lot like the journey that the Jews had with the God of Abraham. There were many other Gods in the “neighborhoods” they traveled. Yet, they stuck with this One.
          That Islam found this same God of Abraham whilst surrounded by a pantheon of other gods does nothing to take away form the fact that the Muslim believes he is the true chosen one of this God of Abraham.
          Visit a mosque, they’ll tell you. Their claim is that they are the only true followers of the God of Abraham… they know Abraham and know his God; they believe Mohammed was the last prophet of this same God. I disagree with their claim of course, but the personal attachment is real. This is pretty widely accepted.

          • pyramid_003

            But Abram did not choose God from a pantheon of gods. God chose him. According to the Bible God chose him because he was righteous.

            It is not logical that if Mohammad believed he worshiped the God of the Torah that he would invent a new holy book that contracts the Word of his ancestors.

          • jcauldren

            Fair enough… for Abraham… but what of the rest of Israel? Many were lost to other gods.

          • pyramid_003

            True. Over and over again the Hebrews were tempted away from God just as we are tempted away in our lives. But God aids us just as he aided the Hebrews (1 Corinthians 10:13). We learn and grow by overcoming temptation. Just as we learn and grow by overcoming hardship.

    • John F

      You’re ignorant! Yes, there is corruption in the name of some valid religions, but it’s the epitome of foolishness to use that as an excuse to condemn the genuine articles. And the motives for such condemnation is usually hostility toward the genuine religions, because they shine a light on YOUR sin.

  • John F

    Two of the most educated men who ever lived, perhaps the two most educated men who ever lived, were Jews. One was Moses, who was followed by his tutors who trained him at the beck and call of the Pharaoh, and the Apostle Paul, who learned at the feat of Gamaliel, who was likely the best teacher of that day. And this was Paul’s testimony as to why people leave the knowledge of God, as revealed by the Jewish prophets and the apostles – for the Jews were the people who were entrusted with the oracles of God – to pursue Pagan beliefs and practices. It’s from Romans 1.
    ______________

    18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. 19For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world,g in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. 21For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Claiming to be wise, they became fools, 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.

    24Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, 25because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.

    26For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

    28And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. 29They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, 30slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32Though they know God’s righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.

  • EvelynandEddie Howell

    Rebellion is the sin of witchcraft. (1 Sam 15:23)

  • general

    Question; This universe is made up of matter and anti matter, then why is it still here not exploded, then what is stopping this from happening if not from outside the time continuum. C.E. R.. N. owns question…

    • Rick Sullivan

      Read first three chapters of Genesis.

  • EvelynandEddie Howell

    For rebellion is as the sin of divination, and insubordination is as iniquity and idolatry. Because you have rejected the word of the LORD. 1 Sameul 15:23

  • Craig B.

    The fact that more young Americans are considering Paganism is not really surprising.
    Many are learning for the first time that Christianity is not the organic faith of Europeans. – and by extension; Americans.
    But Paganism is.
    Nothing against Christianity, or the other Abrahamic faiths the Jews brought us, but more and more young people are rediscovering their own spiritual roots.

  • Ed Caton

    The doctrine of “Original Sin” is not found in the Bible, it is a demonically inspired man made false doctrine. Man, humans, are still today created in God’s image and likeness and God has no sin in Him. Sin is the willful act of disobedience to God. One has to first know God’s commandments before man can disobey them and become sinful. Should a baby be born today in sin and then die tomorrow, is God obligated to send that tiny baby to hell for the sin it lived in? Of course not, God would welcome that infant into heaven because sin is a learned behavior and not a state of being. Satan is the author of sin and death just as he convinced Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden to violate God’s commandment and follow after satan’s enticements. Adam had no power to alter the creation of mankind anymore than your great grandfather could change the way you were born. Adam was not a god, he was just a man who listened to the enemy and was tricked into violating God’s commandment and satan still tempts men and women today and the Bible does call him the god of this world but he is not the God of creation.
    So what was Lucifer, the most powerful of all angels doing in the Garden of Eden? Was it God that stationed Lucifer there to watch over the Garden and the new species of humans? Read Genesis 3 and decide for yourself what Lucifer did first to Eve and then Adam. What would you do if the most beautiful woman on earth came up to you with a treat and asked you to take a bite? What do you think Adam did with Eve still alive after partaking of the fruit God said Adam would surely die and there this beautiful woman was still alive?
    Perhaps some Bible study is necessary before such doctrines are propagated. The truth can always be found in the Word of God, the best selling book of all time. Study to show yourselves approved unto God 2 Timothy 2:15

    • jcauldren

      “is God obligated to send that tiny baby to hell?”
      Purgatory comes in handy here.

      • angryguy77

        no such thing as purgatory.

        • Craig B.

          A silly invention of committees..

        • jcauldren

          Lemme guess, your proof is because the Bible doesn’t mention it?
          What verse do you find that says the Bible must mention something for it to exist?
          Does your faith leave any room for reason?

          • angryguy77

            Are we forgiven of our sins or not? If so, then we are in no need of separation from God once we die.

          • jcauldren

            Purgatory is no more a “separation from God” than life on Earth is. If the Kingdom of God is not only in Heaven but also here on Earth, then why not also in purgatory? Purgatory is not Hell. I would be a very happy Catholic to make it to purgatory… just a connecting flight at that point to your certain final destination, the judgment at that point is already done.. you’re in!
            “are we forgiven our sins” that depends doesn’t it? Can you confess poorly? How do you know your confession worked or was proper in God’s eyes (as some sacrifices were seen as unworthy with ancient Israel)? Isn’t it possible for someone to mouth the words that they confess, but not mean it in their heart? Can you know your heart as well as Christ does?

          • angryguy77

            I know my confessions are right because we’re promised if they’re sincere and as long as we are not living in sin, we are forgiven. Purgatory is not found in the Bible, I have a hard time believing God would leave such a thing out if it existed.

            The Bible speaks of 2 destinations for us: Heaven and Hell. That’s it.

            Accepting Christ means that we are not separated from God when we die. Purgatory goes against what Christ told us.

          • jcauldren

            Bottom line, you and I are working with different bibles… mine does have a reference to it. Not explicitly, but we do have evidence of a Jewish practice of praying for those who have already died… praying for their sins to be “erased” in a way. The book is Maccabees. I’m guessing your bible does not have this book in it?
            Who decided that?

          • angryguy77

            No mine doesn’t. But can you tell me how a living person praying for another’s soul is in anyway Biblical or according to what Christ did and said? Christ said “I am the way……no one gets to the Father but through Me.” If someone praying to God to allow another into heaven after they die, that would mean Christ lied. That would mean what we do in this life doesn’t matter as much as we were told it did by Christ and Paul etc. If believing in Him is the only way, then that would mean prayers offered on our behalf are not going to do a lick of good.

            Time and time again in the NT we are told that it is our decision to follow Christ and repent of our ways. If I died and didn’t live according to the Bible, no amount of praying from grandma is going to erase the decision I made to reject Christ or ignore His teachings. It’s not going to give me a pass for being a Christian in name only. We, and we alone are responsible for our souls fate. We either accepted Christ and gave our old self up, or we didn’t.

          • jcauldren

            “tell me how… is in any way bibilical” – no I wont. You have to explain to me by what authority you can tell me which books go in the bible and which do not. I asked you…. “Who decided that?”. You did not answer.
            “that would mean Christ lied” how do you see that? If I pray to Christ for the forgiveness of your sins and he hears my prayer for you… how is Christ not “the way” in this scenario? If I pray to Mary to pray to Christ for me… how is Christ not “the way”… all of my paths/prayers lead to Christ in these scenarios. Christ is perfectly fine with us praying to him for the intentions of our brothers and sisters. You disagree with that?
            “If I died and didn’t live according to the Bible…” this sounds like you believe your good actions (living a good/biblical life) can get you into heaven. But I don’t believe you think that, right? It is faith alone in Christ, right? An atheist can live a biblical life (except for the faith part) and have some trouble with entry into heaven… you believe that right? So, we’d both agree that how we lived our life has little impact on THE decision.
            You and I are gonna disagree on the timing of THE decision. You believe you can make this choice (of choosing Christ or not) now… in this life. I believe my choice is not known until my judgment. In this life, I can mouth the words and feel in my heart that I choose Christ… a very real and important choice to make, but a lot can happen between that point and my judgment. “THE” choice is not made until I am judged.

          • angryguy77

            BTW…….Christ told the thief that this day he will be in heaven, he made no mention of a waiting room.

          • jcauldren

            Isn’t it possible that Christ said this because this man would not need purgatory? Purgatory isn’t for everyone… Mary is one that we know did not need purgatory.

          • angryguy77

            He was a thief, if he didn’t need it, who would?

          • jcauldren

            He confessed… right there on the cross to God Himself…

          • angryguy77

            And when you pray to and ask Chrsit for forgiveness, you are doing the same thing.

      • Ed Caton

        Purgatory is another false man made doctrine that cannot be found in the Word of God.

        • jcauldren

          The entire Bible is literally man-made in the same sense that you say purgatory is “man made”. Men wrote it, men chose which writings to include.
          That the idea of purgatory wasn’t formally/officially defined until hundreds of years after the books of the Bible were chosen has little impact on the inspiration of its definition.
          Why do you believe that God can only reveal creation to us through the books of the Bible?

  • Rick Grimes

    THE OBAMA EFFECT.

  • “I think one of the things that really helped solidify for me that Paganism was the path for me was the almost complete freedom I had,” the vice president of the Pagan Student Union at the University of Baltimore told Inverse. “There is no one holy text we all must read, there is no organized church service which is mandatory to attend, there is no concept of original sin or any pressure to be perfect people. Paganism is exactly what you want it to be.”

    Well, yeah!

    No sacred text.
    No church.
    No original sin / fallen nature
    No pressure to be a better/more decent person (religions understand that people are not perfect).
    Complete moral freedom

    In other words: I do what I want, when I want, the way I want, I feel god, don’t judge me, and have a nice day.

    Obviously this is an appealing path! Why wouldn’t it be?

  • sierramatchking

    As Christian denominations focus more on social justice, BLM, and gender politics they almost appear embarrassed to promote Christianity. Young people see that and are attracted to confident non-Christian religions which promote themselves such as Paganism and Islam.

    • Craig B.

      Christianity today, including that TRULY EVIL POPE, is working feverishly to become an integral part of Big-Gov-Edu-Media.
      No wonder young people hate organized religion.

      • jcauldren

        You haven’t found Catholic Radio yet?
        It’s very true to a history of Catholicism being neither fully left or right, but on its own “side”.

        • Craig B.

          That’s because left and right are largely the inventions of manipulators.

      • jcauldren

        Young people hate organized religion because they hate authority.

        • Craig B.

          I’ll give you that – as one factor.

          • jcauldren

            Having a gripe with authority
            and completely shedding yourself of authority (which religions like Catholicism certainly allow you to do) are two different things.
            Questioning authority is healthy.
            Abandoning thousands of years of wisdom to “go it alone” or “start over” is very foolish.
            This is the millennial in a nutshell… religions says no, rather than ask why, they grab their toys and leave. A shame. Religion will be fine (especially the Abrahamics). There are plenty of young people who aren’t acting foolishly and have enough sense to at least work at it.

  • general

    Bottom line;; Christianity has a set of commandments not to be ever change by man.
    Religion is set up where all laws are made by man and can be changed at will without any flack.
    Man does not want laws set where they have no control of so religion is a easy out for them…
    WE see this from the Catholic cult by all the changes, protecting pedophile priests, changing Gods word when they want. Telling us we have to do this and that for salvation.
    Confession on Saturday, communion on Sunday and shoot them on Monday; the Mafia montra…

  • Diocletian

    Revelation 18
    The light of a lamp will never shine in you again. The voice of bridegroom and bride will never be heard in you again. Your merchants were the world’s important people. By your magic spell all the nations were led astray.

  • YeahRightPal

    “For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.” – 2 Timothy 4:3-4

    It’s only going to get worse…

  • Nelliebelle

    This article is a bunch of hooey. In my city, there is a 6 pm Sunday Catholic Mass attended largely by millienials. They are devout Christians and attend regularly. You can’t find a parking place or a seat in this very crowded house of worship. Don’t believe these stories folks.

  • Bigg Bunyon

    People are embracing religions such as paganism because there is little to no stigma and guilt associated with it. Christianity is a religion that uses fear and guilt to keep its members in line. If you don’t do certain things and restrain from other certain things (that in effect make us human) you cannot live up to God’s vision of what humanity must be and you will be denied paradise. Yeah yeah, how’s that Jesus thing working out? Jesus was the blood sacrifice that cleansed us all. If that’s so, why are we told we have to keep redeeming ourselves over and over once we accept Him? People are just tired of being treated as evil (fallen?) beings who cannot live up to God’s standard.

    • NormanRockwellAmerican

      As Jesus Christ said, “You neither know Scripture nor the power of God.”

    • jcauldren

      “fear and guilt” Catholic translation… “service and self control”.
      There is little denying that societies work better when the human animal has self control and values service to others.
      “people are tired…” I agree. But being tired isn’t a good reason to give up…. snowflake. Millennial’s are human beings the same as the Greatest Generation that ever lived… they have it in them to be tough… they just don’t have to be these days.

    • pyramid_003

      Bigg: Somehow you have been mislead about Christianity. God does not require us to redeem ourselves. We cannot do that. We are not required to “live up to God’s vision” because none of us are capable of that.
      Once we realize that you commit sins, no matter how small (we all do it), we realize that we need help if we have any hope of attaining a higher life, the life we live after we die. That’s where Jesus comes in. He did it for us. You only need to believe #1 I sin (should be easy), #2 Jesus is God and came to earth to die for my sins, and #3 Jesus rose from the dead to defeat death just like his sacrifice defeats my sins. You can choose to believe or not.

      If you are a young person looking for a positive change in your life. One that will enable you to get rid of your baggage and start new that will help you with a better vision and a higher calling, consider Jesus.

    • angryguy77

      Essentially what your’e saying are embracing paganism because there’s no accountability required.
      We don’t need to keep redeeming ourselves, but we do need to live according to God’s commands as best we can.

  • MGBSE

    …and now you know where “Catholics” who vote for Democrats come from.

  • RustySpinner

    Paganism, in many ways, makes a lot more sense than the Abrahamic religions, so maybe that’s why people are gravitating towards it. But whatever, all religions are all kinda silly and unnecessary. Just do as Confucius said: treat people like you want to be treated, and things will pretty chill…

    • jcauldren

      “things will be pretty chill”… until a worldview like that of ISIS comes along.
      They would have had Confucius for lunch.

  • firebrand

    Bottom line: Jesus died for your sins. If you reject Him, God will reject you. Paganism will turn you into a conceited fool. In the end, it enslaves you. True freedom is found only in recognizing your place in God’s creation and being adopted as a son or daughter in His kingdom, through Jesus Christ. Hallelujah.

  • One expects a rise in magic. I noted the article does not mention magic or any from of magic.

  • Gleimhart Supremacist™

    Many so-called “Christians” lament news like this, but they need to look no further than the mirror to assign blame. It ain’t the devil. It ain’t woeful humanity. Those things are a constant. No, it’s them.

    You can’t continue to tell White people that they suck, that they’re guilty for the failures of non-whites, that their forefathers, their culture, their country, and their history are all evil, racist, and illegitimate.

    You can’t tell them that they owe large portions of their earnings to other people, that they have to watch their child suffer in pain waiting in line behind half a dozen illegals in the ER waiting room, that they have to watch as foreigners overtake them and boast about the White Founding Stock becoming a despised minority in the homeland built by their ancestors.

    Yes, all those things have an effect, and this is it. Whites are leaving the sorry excuse of what passes for “Christianity” because it has left them. It’s simple: If you hate me, I don’t want to be around you.

    If you want to guilt-trip Whites and venerate non-whites, turning the accomplishments of the former over to the latter, and then call that Christian virtue, to hell with you!

  • Unmutual One

    They’re willing to believe in this nonsense, but belittle those who believe in monotheism, specifically Christians. Just more cognitive dissonance from Millennials.

    • BBQ Bob

      I’m just wondering what has happened to parenting. Atheists and agnostics only represent 7% of the population or so whereas Christians represent 70% with nearly 50% stating they are regular practitioners (2014 Pew Research study). Why are these kids getting lost?

      • Unmutual One

        Because their teachers and professors are beating the religion out of them. I’ve had colleagues who’ve openly admitted they were out to “convert” their students away from Christianity.

        • BBQ Bob

          Oh I know that, I’ve seen it first hand in my sister’s kids in public school – but they are Catholics and church attenders so that doesn’t work on their children. It still doesn’t answer why parents aren’t stepping up more to get their children involved in church, bet it any denomination.

          To me it’s like parents are dropping the ball here in their duties. Schools, public ones specifically, are supposed to be a separation of church and state. Isn’t that what liberals tell us with prayer before a football game? Yet it’s okay for them to try and dissuade children from practicing religion (except Islam of course…that’s okay with liberals as a religion to practice).

          • Rick Sullivan

            The central problem of our age is not liberalism or modernism, nor the old Roman Catholicism or the new Roman Catholicism, nor the threat of communism, nor even the threat of rationalism and the monolithic consensus which surrounds us. All these are dangerous but not the primary threat. The real problem is this: the church of the Lord Jesus Christ, individually corporately, tending to do the Lord’s work in the power of the flesh rather than of the Spirit. The central problem is always in the midst of the people of God, not in the circumstances surrounding them.”

        • Pollos Hermanos

          So evangelism is bad then?

      • Rick Sullivan

        Time magazine, there was an article that said there was a poll that pointed out that about 76% of the people in this country thought it would be a good idea to have both creation and evolution taught in the public schools. I don’t know if the poll was accurate, but assuming that the poll was accurate, what does it mean? It means that your public schools are told by the courts that they cannot teach this, even though 76% of the people in the United States want it taught. I’ll give you a word. It’s TYRANNY. There is no other word that fits at such a point.

  • David George

    It is funny, I was not a believer in Christ until I read the Bible. Prior to that I was a Pagan. What I have come to learn is that daily, our society continues to prove the authenticity of the scriptures. This discussion chain proves the existence of God and Jesus. The reason is this; all of your arguments against, were already discussed in the old testament. Nothing here is new. No one in this feed has said anything of their own admonition. It is all repeated arguments of the Pharisees. So, to all of you, take some time and actually read the Bible and see what it really says. If you are like me you will be amazed at the parallel that exists between the scriptures and todays world.

    • jcauldren

      Thousands of years of Jewish, Catholic, Islamic and Protestant philosophy, theology… who’d have known there would be some actual wisdom in there.
      2/3 of mankind believing in this one being and growing. Has any god ever matched this God’s performance?

      • BBQ Bob

        One of the takeaways in a college elective global religion class that has always stuck with me is that most of the world’s religions have one core thing in common: they believe in a single supreme or universal entity over all others. Even Islam scripture in the Quran states that Jesus ascended to heaven supernaturally after he died. They just do not believe he was God’s prophet.

  • mcc99

    “Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology…”

    Um, Wicca IS a religion. Just bc it isn’t monotheistic doesn’t mean it’s not a religion. In fact monotheism is a by-product of polytheism. Poly came BEFORE and operates parallel to mono. In terms of religious history, monotheism will eventually be a footnote in the history of human religiosity. Religiosity itself will also eventually be a footnote in human history but that won’t be for some time.

  • Will David

    Worship of anything created is an abomination to God. “THOU SHALL HAVE NO gods BEFORE ME”…Whether they realize it or not nature..and satan..are created.

  • Bureau of Censorship

    “Paganism is exactly what you want it to be.”

    Religion like this is ridiculous. Either there is absolute truth guided by a higher power or there isn’t. “Truth” doesn’t conform to your personal opinions. To pick any religion because it conforms to your worldview is asinine–you pick a religion or no religion at all because you believe it to be the truth, not because it confirms your opinions.

    • jcauldren

      “paganism is exactly what you want it to be”
      otherwise known as… worshiping yourself… pride. The biggest sin of all.

  • LeeVonHart

    long ago college kids swallowed gold fish, young people love to be irreverent. perfectly natural, make that unnatural :).

  • Mike Ramey

    Very disturbing, but part of the ‘third wave’ humanism movement. If you remove the old landmarks and boundaries, you are left with Satan in charge. The whole issue is not having the Bible and prayer kicked out of schools in the 1960s; it had already been kicked out of the home in the 1950s because of the rise in materialism. Whenever people get a lot of money or power, they think they don’t need God. Check out the entirety of Acts, the 19th Chapter. To boil it down, the demon possessed man states to the unsaved exorcists: “Jesus I know, Paul I know, who are ye?”

    • BBQ Bob

      The rapid decay of our society being religiously intolerant just in the past two decades is troubling (exception: Islam which apparently is fine and acceptable). When I was a kid in elementary school in the early 1980s, we were shown “The Little Drummer Boy” as part of Christmas celebration. The only time that happens now is in private Christian schools. And if a public school tries that, the ACLU and other activist groups would be slinging lawsuits like parade candy.

  • Bhushan Sayyed

    “Hi i’m looking for a self-starting individual who can cast spells? Minimum 3 yrs experience.” said no employer, ever. When I saw this on drudge I thought it said “Young Americans flock to potassium…” and it was some health kick, but this article was FAR more entertaining.

  • the_logician

    Hey, as long as they give up the holidays, the trappings and the experiences of the traditional religious holidays. No playing both sides of the fence. Logic demands consistency.

  • the_logician

    Collegians accept a variety of religious viewpoints on campus, but they can’t tolerate a variety of political opinions?

  • Cindy

    People have to believe in something. You take God out of the equation and they will go to whatever is left over. Even Atheism is a religion of sorts. Atheist are worst than Jesuits in my opinion. At least you can turn one away from your door. The other demands you obey their religion over all others to the point of litigation.

  • They change the day the rent, the student loan payment, the car loan payment, the electric bill, the water bill, the credit card bill, and an empty refrigerator coincide. America has only one religion, and its altar is your wallet.

    Festivus – for the rest of us. It is the singular religion with a high strength to weight ratio.

  • Charles Baldwin

    Wow! Amn amazing tribute to our education. The electronically brain damaged young reject Christian religion whose only core belief is in the holiness of Jesus and goodness toward everyone as irrational, yet they embrace spells, voodoo, satan worship. Soon we’ll have MesoAmerican religions (already widespread in Central America, and the illegal “communities” of the US – the cult of Sancta Muerta). Every morning they’ll have to have a human sacrifice (cut out a beating heart) so Quetzilquoutil will rise the sun. Idiots! Morons! WTF?

    • David George

      kind of like believing in Ghosts but denying that there is a Holy Ghost, believing in UFO’s through fake sightings and not believing in Jesus who all historians confess…walked on this earth. People are crazy.

  • Secularists thought that as they pushed Christianity back they would get a secular society. They were wrong. What they will wind up with will be everything they accuse Christianity of being, but isn’t.

  • roughman

    How much good news can we stand?

  • wileythruster

    In the 60’s they flocked to “free love” which was the paganism of it’s day. Full circle people. Full circle.

  • dmallett

    Paganism is attractive to many because it is more or less “pick the god you like” religion of making your own god.

  • gcreno

    Maybe it’s connected to a generation of kids being allowed by their parents to watch every movie and read every book glorifying witchcraft, like Harry Potter.

  • Ed

    Paganism wasn’t what ever you wanted it to be for actual pagans.

    These foolish children are pretending they are a part of something more primative then what they have.

    Columbus day should be a national holiday and native American traditions day should be on Oct 31.

  • Rich Master

    Lots of Pagan and Witchcraft books here http://witchcraftbooks.net

  • MasiGaHo

    I’m a new ager and a millennial, but I believe Jesus the savior of this world. Its very simple of course, I wish the Gnostic version of Christianity was more prevalent and accepted because it is the most purest form, where people practiced a religion to become like Christ in their words, actions and deeds. Gnosticism ultimate belief is not rewards in the afterlife but the reward of becoming like Christ himself. Gnostic’s believed in reincarnation where if we fail to achieve our lessons in this life we have more chances to come back and work on them. They also believed in the mercy of God through Christ. When Christianity became politicized many in power wanted to destroy the Gnostics because they took fear away from the belief of Hell and eternal punishment. The early Church sought to kill all Gnostics and destroy their writings and beliefs. Albeit they succeeded and what we’re left with is a corruption of Christianity.

    • angryguy77

      I’m not attacking you, but you’re following a false doctrine. The Bible states we have once to live and once to die. We are not afforded do overs to get it right. Once a person learns about Christ, they have the chance to accept Him or reject Him.

      Think about this, if you die and comeback with no recollection of your previous life, how do you avoid making the same mistakes? You can’t learn from the past if you don’t know the past. You cannot improve on something you have 0 knowledge of.

      This style of belief is deception by Satan to make a person think they don’t have to be serious with God in the one life they have been given.

      Lets also think about this. If God is all powerful, if He is loving and wanting us to be in Heaven, do you really think He would allow men to hide the truth for 1000’s of years causing untold millions to be taken from Him? Isn’t it more probable that what we know of Him and how to get to Him is correct? If you wanted your friend to know a truth and you asked another to give the message, would you allow that person to corrupt what you wanted to be passed on? That wouldn’t make sense.

      Yes there will be people who preach a false doctrine, but if what you say is true, then it would have been known and not killed off, otherwise God wouldn’t be as loving as He claims.

  • Charles T Popkiss

    So much ‘wisdom’ preached, here, from all the ‘experts’ who don’t know their ass from their elbow. Even the writer of the article shows his ignorance. “Wiccanism”?

  • Dschwarpa

    For all of the faults of Christianity over the centuries, the collective inspiration and hope it has generated during that time fueled the greatest transformation in civilization and thought during the modern era. It is sad that a generation would be willing to throw all of that away to settle for something less, and let the hope and inspiration die. Once gone, it will be very difficult to regain.

  • Matthew

    Just as much BS as any religion….

  • lfthndthrds

    Everyone has their own road to travel. Im sure a lot young people are taking alternative routes in their beliefs because most in the US grew up in Christian homes with failed marriages, hypocrisy in just about every form and the fact that the internet is helping them get their hands on evidence that was impossible a couple of generations ago. Christianity is merely a drama put together by the Roman government and regardless if you’re Catholic or not, your solar doctrine came from that very documentation handed forth by the Council of Nicea. Your gospels weren’t written by the names they bear and they were written decades after Christ supposedly existed. Smell something rotten? But Christians everywhere will condemn me to eternal hell for not drinking the Kool-Aid that they have swallowed hook, line and sinker as the truth.

    • angryguy77

      Evidence like what? If there was undeniable proof of what you claim is true, that would be shown for the world to see.

      You can believe in a god or not, that is up to you, but in the end, you cannot prove your path is right.

  • Mr Happy Man

    I can see possibly see why there is a rise in witchcraft, but I am puzzled by the rise in astrology. It is very well established that this doesn’t work.

    • robertthomason

      It’s mental bubble gum.

  • Jay Johnson
  • John F

    The Bible on turning to Paganism:

    For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. 19For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world,g in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. 21For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Claiming to be wise, they became fools, 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.

    24Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, 25because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.

    26For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

    28And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. 29They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, 30slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32Though they know God’s righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.

  • TroyGale

    And people wonder what is wrong in our Country today. SMH

  • Seeker

    If I throw out the rule book, then my conscience is freed to act like the devil and expect to get to heaven because I’m just as good as every other heathen dog and that makes me ‘feel’ like a good little imp.

  • Shadrach/Hananiah

    They’re choosing the wide path. The narrow path is difficult.

  • renee ciccioni

    Christianity is so much like pegan religion any way ,Christmas was once called Saturnalia and the Norse yule, Thanksgiving was once called harvest home , Easter is the name of a Nordic moon goddess ,along with the egg and hare that represent fertiliy ,Halloween was once samhains and all souls Eve , and Valentine’s celebrates lust, Cupid comes from the Latin word for lust cupidos. So all bullshit anyway.

    • EnabledVet

      I think you’re confusing the branches of Christianity, like Catholicism and Protestantism, with Christianity. See the Council of Nicaea, 325 AD. By the by, their doing it again in 2025……

      • renee ciccioni

        Catholicism is the mother of Christianity , anything after is just an offshoot of the original and all Christians celebrate Christian holidays which have their roots in various pegan traditions . Constantine attempted to unite the various warring religions before they destroyed Rome with their fighting , so Constantine convened the council of nicea in order to unite the religions under one God . Constantine came up with the druidic God Hesus and the eastern God Krishna amalgamated into one God to unite the Eastern and Western religions . Then after the letter ” j” to the alphabet in 1600 it became Jesus Christ . Now the Vatican is going to try the same act with Chrislam 2023 .

        • Nimadan

          You’re on the right track but you’re missing the mark with the speculation about Hesus and Krishna. Although both deities were known to the ancient Romans, neither of them had any particular importance. Indian immigrants existed in the Empire but were not a big group and there are no records of Romans converting to Hinduism. As for the Druids, their religion was violently suppressed because of their support for Celtic independence.

          • renee ciccioni

            No The eastern religious teachings were being taught by the Sadducees the Essene the Pharisees and the Herodians , Constetine himself belong to the Sol Evictus cult which was a Mithraism sun cult which is why Christians and Islam worship on Sunday , Krishna is Sanskrit for Christ .

          • Nimadan

            Where are you getting this? The CW on the Sadducees, Pharisees and Herodians is that they were primarily political parties. In a culture as theocratic as the ancient jews, that inevitably entangled them with religion but they were not spiritual paths as we understand them.

            “Krishna is Sanskrit for Christ.”

            I flatly disbelieve there is anything but an indirect relationship between the words “krishna” and kristos”.

            “Constantine himself belonged to the Sol Invictus cult which was a Mithraism sun cult”

            So what? How does that support your case? Mithraism was a fusion between the Mediterranean and Zorastrian religious traditions. It seems to have been a conscious (and possibly cynical) fusion of the two. It had nothing to do with Hinduism or Druidism.

          • renee ciccioni

            Your attempting to differentiate between religion and government , the priestly class controlled governance through the leadership , the saduccees , Pharisees , Herodians ,were religious sects that taught different variations of the same Eastern religions as the same thing that goes on today , different Christian sects teach various interpretations of the same religion as well as influence the political sphere . As for Constantine I got the info from Nexus magazine article titled ” the lost letters of nicea” .

          • Nimadan

            “Your attempting to differentiate between religion and government”

            Like I ALREADY SAID, in a culture as theocratic as the ancient jews, their political intrigues inevitably entangled them with religion.

            “As for Constantine I got the info from Nexus..”

            I didn’t ask where you got the Constantine-Sol Invictus thing from (although Nexus is not much of a source), I asked how it supported your case. Although I guess if you think the Pharisees* were an “Eastern” religion, then pretty much everything must be in that category in your mind. I think we’re done here.

            * Protip: The Pharisees were the direct ancestors of modern, rabbinical Judaism.

          • renee ciccioni

            Actually the Pharisees and the aforementioned other religious groups became the universal Church which became the Catholic Church , the word Catholic means universal , which has its roots in ancient Babylonian religion the cross itself is the letter T for the god Tammuz who cush became after assending to heaven, and just like all gentile religions their God or God’s are interchangeable the only thing that changed was the name because of language differences. All of today’s religions can be traced back to Babylon modern day Baghdad. Constantine hated the Hebrew religion which is why he created his own as well the deity to go with that religion. The final piece of evidence is the fact that no letter J was in any alphabet until the 16 th century and the Hebrew language has no J

          • Nimadan

            I was going to stop but I couldn’t let this pass….

            “Actually the Pharisees… became the universal Church which became the Catholic Church…Constantine hated the Hebrew religion which is why he created his own…”

            Your own words.

          • renee ciccioni

            Yes he said he did not care for the rabble of the Hebrew in other words he didn’t like the laws in the torah for peace.People creating religions or offshoots of an existing religion , Protestants didn’t like certain elements of Catholicism , Lutherans were created because the people didn’t like the fact that the church didn’t want common people to have a Bible . Besides people created religions , religions didn’t create themselves.

          • Nimadan

            English isn’t your first language, is it?

          • renee ciccioni

            Knowing facts over religious propaganda created for self promotion, isn’t your strong suit is it ?

          • Nimadan

            Anyone who thinks “Nexus” is a source doesn’t know what a fact IS.

          • renee ciccioni

            So you know better than people who resourced and published the information found in the lost letters of nicea ?

          • Nimadan

            Yes, I know better than people who
            fabricated the “lost letters of nicea”.

          • renee ciccioni

            And you have proof they fabricated the lost letters ? The lost letters are not the only evidence that the Scriptures were redacted to suit a religious agenda of a certain type. Zeitgeist on YouTube and hislops two Babylons all show the evidence as well.

          • Nimadan

            Do I have proof? Excuse me, the one who’s pushing the crackpot theory is YOU

            Edit: And I’ve wasted more than enough time on you. Welcome to my Blocked list.

          • renee ciccioni

            Yeah sure anything to protect organized brainwash at all cost .

        • EnabledVet

          Nothing could be further from the truth.

          • renee ciccioni

            Yes what I said is true , all Christian holidays are repurposed pegan holidays, what I said about the Christ figure is true there was no j in any alphabet until 1600s . The Messiahs name was and is Yahshua after his father Yahweh , the Romans as usual kept the shell of Abahamic religion, while throwing away the kernel in keeping with Roman tradition.

          • EnabledVet

            You started out with “Catholicism is the Mother of Christianity” which is a complete misrepresentation of fact. After that you went into side arguments that have nothing to do with the fact that Christianity is the base religion, and was bastardized by the Roman Emperor Constantine for the purposes of reviving the Roman Empire. I suppose you read the Bible in Aramaic in stead of the English translation of King James.

          • renee ciccioni

            No actually what is now called the Catholic Church was originally the Coptics which started in Egypt then it became the universal Church eventually it became the Catholic Church which is why Christians worship on Sunday ,the day of the sun , not the Sabbath which the prophets and desciples worshipped on Saturday. So yes the Christian foundation was present but it’s birth sprung from Catholicism ,then the rest of offshoots came later .

  • Archie Angel

    The book of Revelations is unfolding, “all the world will be deceived and worship the beast”

  • Alice Ramirez

    deja vu the 1960’s and 1970’s with all those “New Age” teachings including Heaven’s Gate Theosophy, Transcendal Meditation, the various Yogas, etc. It represents a combination of rebellion against parental values, exploration, a taste for the exotic not found in the boringly familiar, and a desire to find meaning they haven’t bothered to find in family faiths (even though it is there). Many of them will, years from now, take a second look at JudeoChristianity or whatever is the traditional faith of their upbringing. They will then re-embrace it, perhaps in a different form (ie, Catholic instead of Protestant or vice-versa, Orthodox instead of Reformed, etc.). This is a very typical late adolescent pattern being described.

  • EnabledVet

    This is the same generation that believes collectivism (socialism) will solve all their ills by giving them a free ride……

    • FreedomsKrieg

      BINGO*****

  • greg

    All three of my sons graduated from college two with business degree’s and one with Earth and Science, never heard a peep about this crap, and they are not Church going, but do listen. Why are you guys so fixated on this stuff? No one gives a rat’s ass about this stuff but the owner of this web site, what’s next channel Nancy Reagan comming to meet you in your sleep?

  • Leonidis

    25% of a poll identifying as “no religion” doesn’t mean everyone is turning to paganism, this is fake news. They reference a group started in 2014 as their solid evidence? Whether you worship a sky daddy or a pile of dirt, or the sun you still have shut off the critical thinking center in your brain called “reason”. No creature deserving worship would ever want to be worshiped.

  • DWarren

    Recent events clearly illustrate that the old mantra extolling the virtue and bliss of an atheistic, amoral, autonomous human secular society is and should be totally discredited and deemed delusional. Patrick Henry said, “It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here.”

    • FreedomsKrieg

      Well said….

  • independent_forever

    They may “flock” to it BUT when it becomes another empty promise with nothing of substance they will return. Usually takes hitting bottom and then people crawl back. Ironically, people won’t believe in Jesus or God or our Trinity where evidence exists and the Bible clearly proves our beliefs are not just fantasy or plucked from thin air.

    YET the same people are willing to believe in witchcraft and other pagan rituals that have no evidence of working, no historical verification, and leaves your soul wanting and empty. It boggles the mind that people freely turn their backs on Jesus whose ONLY request of the faithful amounted to 2 simple laws: Love God and Love neighbor.

    Even in the Catholic church, those who are fortunate in wealth/health/time are asked to help out to support the church and fellow parishioners and community. BUT no one forces you to do anything and the church is open to all–no questions asked. Our Lord cannot be any more generous than that…hope witchcraft and pagan rituals don’t ruin their lives completely…

  • Morey Ladini

    Everything about astrology can be easily debunked. Are there any responsible Rationalists left in our schools?

  • subo

    …And while paganism is the newest trend for self-absorbed youth today, depression is at an all time high.

  • bill1942

    Judgment Day will hold some nasty surprises for these willing pagans!

    • Nimadan

      No doubt the look on your face when
      your dead ass meets Dread Cthulhu
      will also be priceless!

  • Ricarrdo estavans

    All religion is myth even paganism. I dont believe in zimmerman, Idont believe in elvis, I dont believe in mantra, I dont believe in jesus, I dont believe in beatles, I JUST BELIEVE IN ME

    • pyramid_003

      Ricarrdo: I am curious. Do you believe you created you?

      • Ricarrdo estavans

        I certainly do not believe an invisible giant man in the sky who has an arch enemy who lives under the ground took a handful of dirt in his giant invisible hands blew into it with his invisible mouth and created me. I am more inclined to believe in evolution or advanced extra terrestrials mixing their essence and eggs with the essence and eggs with an inferior earth like hominid.

        • FreedomsKrieg

          From Dust……… to Dust…….Poof

        • pyramid_003

          I am not sure which Bible you have been reading, but I don’t know of anyone who believes in an invisible giant man in the sky.

          So it’s easy to believe there are aliens, but it is hard to believe there is a creator god.

          Who do you believe created the aliens.

          • Ricarrdo estavans

            Evolution

  • FreedomsKrieg

    A Liberal mind is a Wonderful thing to waste.

  • Byrd Westbrook

    These ignorant children will someday regret their choice. There is no CARITAS to paganism.

  • mindfloat

    Coincidentally, today (10/31/2017) is the 500th anniversary of the Protestant Reformation. No reports on this.

    • Rick Sullivan

      His “95 Theses,” which propounded two central beliefs—that the Bible is the central religious authority and that humans may reach salvation only by their faith and not by their deeds—was to spark the Protestant Reformation. Although these ideas had been advanced before, Martin Luther codified them at a moment in history ripe for religious reformation. The Catholic Church was ever after divided, and the Protestantism that soon emerged was shaped by Luther’s ideas. His writings changed the course of religious and cultural history in the West.

  • Nimadan

    I suspect there are multiple levels of consciousness beyond our existence just as there are clearly multiple levels below it. Virtually everyone accepts that dogs are less evolved consciousness-wise than humans, rabbits are less evolved than dogs, insects less than rabbits, plants less than insects, and bacteria less than plants, etc etc. I suspect the same principle holds true in the other direction and that there’s an entire ecology of non-physical Beings which the limits of our perception prevents (most of) us from seeing.

    Regarding “God” per se when I consider the question of metaphysics, the idea that the universe is ruled over by this giant, parental personality strikes me as the second-least likely scenario. This is true regardless of whether this personality is depicted as an overbearing male tyrant ala islam, or as an endlessly understanding and loving mother surrogate as Unitarians, Quakers and Wiccans seem to believe.

    That said, for me the LEAST likely scenario is still the totally dead universe of pure atheism. I just don’t buy it. I simply don’t believe every saint, shaman, visionary, or yogi in human history was suffering from schizophrenic delusions.

  • Amy Lou Kingery

    Hopefully most of them will grow up.

  • Frog Legs

    Paganism’s fine as long as it isn’t Wicca crap. Nationalistic folk religions like Asatru are a better ally against the globalists than garbage Christian denominations like Unitarians and Episcopalians (and today’s Catholic Church). Basically, any so-called Christian church who accepts female pastors, gay marriage, or other degeneracy. I’d rather have Germanic pagans than Mohammedans in my country any day.

  • Mosin Swede

    Millennials are all about themselves…so paganism etc fits them, self absorbed and self aggrandizing. To be fair however the comments here about “The Living God of Israel” turn me off just as much. I’m not from Israel so I have no need for their god either. The part of Christianity that I like are the sayings of Jesus in the new Testament that relate to treating all men equally etc…as far as the Old Testament goes its pretty useless to me. Considering that Muslims and Jews both trace their “ancestry” back to Abraham it seems to me that the last thing the civilized world needs is an archaic religion that has been at war with itself for centuries. Yes I know that some in Catholicism, Protestantism, etc may take offense, but I don’t mean it that way. I simply mean lets take the good and forget the differences (and the idiotic rituals, rules, practices dietary and otherwise that never came from God anyway but were created by some old men long ago). I mean really, does anyone actually think that God wants a bunch of morons in silly costumes running around bowing or genuflecting themselves be it to a cross on a wall or Mecca? Really??? I would like to think God is a bit more mature than that (all that bowing, kneeling, etc is kinda pagan don’t ya think?)

  • robertthomason

    “There is no one holy text we all must read, there is no organized church service which is mandatory to attend, there is no concept of original sin or any pressure to be perfect people. Paganism is exactly what you want it to be.” In other words, it’s like a tumbleweed.

  • Marri

    Just another one of Satan’s tactics-lies-to take the focus off the Living God. Satan knows he’s going to hell but I wonder if he really understands the eternal intense pain of hell waiting for him. He does know the Word of God.

  • flyovercindy

    …well, I grew up in the 60’s, and there was a pretty intense interest in wicca, paganism, occult, etc., back then too… Not arguing this trend, or even that it may be more prevalent now than ever, but it isn’t new that young people explore what is different. In light of the indoctrination they receive in schools and the current fear of “free speech”, I’m thinking that at least they are “exploring” SOMETHING! I was a devout Christian then and I am now, but exploring other things only strengthened my faith and expanded my knowledge.

  • Richard Cranium Jr.

    Thank witch that I can’t relate to millennials at any level.

  • joe the serb

    praise Odin .

  • Arminius

    Paganism is the true religion of the European peoples. We retain the faith our fathers through our names. This trend gives me hope for the future.

  • Vox Veritas

    Millennials (and others) also worship themselves on the altar of social media.

    What’s your point?

  • Oya Shango

    And yet, African Traditional Religions, the oldest faiths in the world, from which Judaism, Christianity and Islam have their theological and cultural roots, still remain unrecognized and demonized. They too are growing exponentially in the U.S. with little recognition.

  • B K

    And people thought Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, Thor, and numerous other fantasies were harmless.

    • Nimadan

      “The Lord of the Rings” is a Christian allegory written by a devoutly Christian author.

      • B K

        Maybe, but most people do not associate the movies with religion. It all blends in with their fantasy worlds. All of the benevolent sorcerers, the soothsayers, all the magic, the all seeing eye, the creatures and the monsters becomes one and the same with the sorcerers, soothsayers, creatures, monsters and magic in Harry Potter and every other fantasy book and movie.

        It has literally become their religion. Because it is so exciting and appealing to the masses, and because they have been raised with a steady diet of it all their lives, it is easy for them to gravitate towards paganism so they can live out their fantasies.

        Religion is boring. It is boring going to church on Sunday, it is boring listening to some long winded pastor expound on things that often makes no sense to the fantasy movie generation who has been programmed with a short attention span. Ask any young person what they really want. They would much rather go to the movies on a Sunday afternoon. They would much rather go to comic con than go to a Bible study. And they do.

        If any of them return back to religion, it is because the lack of restraints in their lives has broken them spiritually. They see the emptiness and misery in their lives and long for something with substance. Their bodies and their souls are sick on junk food, and they search for meat to eat and water to drink that will make them feel well again, but they do not know where to find it.

        • Nimadan

          There’s a lot of truth in what you say although, in my own defense,
          I was referring to the books, not the movies.

          The most powerful thing parents can do to spiritually protect their children is to sharply limit their exposure to stimulants, both biochemical and electronic. Any child who isn’t sheltered from this crap will grow into the kind of teenager you’re describing, one with no self-control and zero attention span. And teenagers of this kind will grow into low or no-achieving “adults” with huge substance abuse issues and resulting chronic health issues.

          Frankly, modern society is a giant machine for turning human beings into trash and it will work on anyone unless they’re protected as children and/or have strong natural immunity.

          • B K

            I figured you referred to the books. I haven’t read the books myself, but the movies have nothing to do with Christianity as far as I can tell.

            Good observations. My poor neighbor was into all that fantasy and the video games. Then all the tattoos. He lived with his mother and sister, and couldn’t hold a job. He couldn’t even keep his driver’s license. He drank so much Mountain Dew and smoked so many cigarettes, that I used to joke with him that if he didn’t change his ways he would be dead by the age of thirty. He passed away at the age of twenty nine.

            I only got after him because I was really serious about trying to get him to change. It’s an all too familiar story these days. His sister’s son is now a teenager and he is going to be just like him. All through the summer he would stay up until about four in the morning watching TV and playing video games while his parents worked the night shift.

            Just like you say, there just doesn’t appear to be a whole lot of functionality in younger people these days. They are far too stimulated.

  • dust man

    paganism?sounds like a dead end to me………..Millennials = The Stupidest Generation in History,or as future generations will remember them:…victims of their own narcissistic ignorance ,enjoy slackers ..the future does not belong to you….in fact its already been stolen from you, while you placed your trust in the cabal of ultimate ignorance,the liberal movement!…enjoy

  • Suchery Robin

    As it was in the days of Noah. We are at the end of the age. Get your house in order. Evil will get worse.

  • Cruelnunusual

    Are these new “pagans” actually white people seeking to reconnect with their European ancestry? I’m not waiting for they lying media to tell me if that is the case.

  • Observer_wi

    3 things driving this in my opinion.

    1) The Christian Church’s response to social changes like gay marriage. It wasn’t awesome, wasn’t terrible, just wasn’t awesome. A better response would have been ‘God loves you, but we think this is bad for you, bad for society’ instead of falling back on ‘God hates you and you’re going to burn in hell’.

    2) That, coupled with science’s lies that people are born gay, born trans, the fatalistic (the stars, er, um, your genes I mean, decide your fate before you’re born) gives a tidy way of looking at the world that has no proof to back it up. But we as humans like tidy theories.

    3) The extremely juvenile mentality of people today, not just college students. I want to do whatever pops into my head at any given time. I don’t want anybody telling me how to live. I want to watch my Lord of the Rings porn (Game of Thrones), play video games, get high, and hook up tonight.

    Paganism / witchcraft / wiccan religions appeals very well to people of this sort.

    Also, many traditional churches who have given in to so many pressures (teaching evolution, having women pastors, saying the Bible isn’t really God’s word, saying everyone will be saved one day, etc…) are so hollow. They don’t have the Spirit within them anymore so they are closing their doors. That’s what many people think of Christianity, a hateful, hollow religion full of hypocrites.

  • CrystalBella

    No Original Sin and no Heaven or expectations. This summarizes this generation They don’t want to be told they’re wrong about anything- and see no point to anything. Nothing to aspire to or a goal. Whereas the religious exploration in the 60’s was a search for meaning, these people are using “spirituality” like sex. Just something that feels good- but it has no meaning. I don’t care what your religion is but this attitude they have is sad and an insult to millions of years of historic religions. Wicca: the religion for lazy dumb people who majored in Feminist Studies and have no plan to ever move out of their mother’s basement.

  • Dave

    I don’t see what the big deal is. Not as if anyone can say that their religion is the right one even though they all try.

    Truth is the Christian church embedded parts of Pagan religion into their own to try and convert pagans to Christianity… look it up.

    Then the Catholic religion comes along doing the same to Christians only turning it into a communistic religious regime using peoples weak minds by selling gods forgiveness to make the worlds largest corrupt financial banking system that still exists today. The 3 cooperation’s that run the entire world are the Vatican City, London city, and Washington D.C., with all financial roads leading to the Vatican… look it up.

    After the Catholic religion comes the Islamic religion which as far as I can tell was just a corrupt, violent, pedophile on a power trip wanting to take over the world, brainwashing people into following him and using violence to bring in the rest… look it up.

    To be honest their are good parts and bad parts to all of them. The good being all the good moral teachings(thou shalt not kill and what not). The bad being they all say they are the right one to follow, and all others should be punished.

    And since gullible minds are easy to push into doing things and living certain ways in the name of their religion, it can be used to control populations in their favor whether it be what you eat or how you vote. Thus pushing currency one way or another which is a very powerful tool in corruption.

    My personal opinion on the matter is the sooner people start recognizing religion for what it is, an idea based on astrology, farming and the human imagination transformed into a story to produce fear into people so they would stop with all the genocide(obviously Islamic has another agenda in mind), the sooner people can start getting to grips with reality and start making more common sense choices.

    Because let’s face it, miracles happen all the time and not always to evangelicals. So to leave your life or others lives up to god in a medical or even a disaster situation is kind of an ignorant thing to do. And this “God works in mysterious ways” nonsense is just an ignorant way to justify it. The universe works in mysterious ways, god is just fairytale passed down through so many grapevines people don’t even know what the original story was. If god really cared he’d tell us what we need to hear in terms of overpopulation and how to deal with it without the use of a law that forces people who regret there marriage to stay and live miserable the rest of their lives.

    It’s not premarital sex that is contributing to overpopulation. It’s the revolution of medical care so people live longer and less murder. Yet to ask an evangelical to vote for abortions is like asking them to commit murder, but they wont even entertain the fact that in a sense that vote is condemning future generations to famine and genocide. And for what? Why rush this thing? To see if your god really is going to come and save all of you who really believe? What if your wrong, and it turns out it all really was made up because people feel the need to follow?

  • You mean the roman church? The Templars (Freemasons) are all part of the Vatican’s empire. The roman church is gnostic founded by simon magus, not christian. Catholics are as far from Christian & the Bible as Islam is.
    The Bible says the roman church is antichrist and the ‘beast’. Cant very well be christian and antichrist. Bible right again!

  • stop paganism/Nimrodism in the churches 1st then we can worry about the gentiles…https://www.slideshare.net/FearYaweh77/paganism-48522938

  • Bill731

    If one doesn’t spend personal time in the Word of God and in prayer with God, then he or she is going to be a shallow Christian at best and, at the very worst, eventually fall away. Spiritual growth requires some level of commitment on the part of a believer. No one else can make you read the Bible, seek the LORD in prayer and attend church. Your heart has to be in it if it is to be fulfilling. If it isn’t then the flesh will rebel and the world and the wicked one will offer you alternative forms of spirituality to satisfy your spiritual hunger but it will not. Only the Word of God can do that, as Jesus Himself said (Matthew 4:4; Luke 4:4). So the blame for this apostasy partly lies with pastors who are not feeding these young people in their churches with the Word of God. Consider also that these millennials may have never been true, born again believers in the first place for the Bible teaches that those who are will not depart from the faith (1 John 2:19). It is the spirit of antichrist in the world which is leading them to turn away from God. If they choose to walk after that spirit rather than the Spirit of God then there isn’t much the Church can do about it except to pray for them. Paganism is definitely antichrist religion.

  • MadThespian

    Alternate headline: Young Americans ditching traditional mythology for non-traditional mythology.

    • Nimadan

      “Alternate”

      You misspelled ACCURATE

  • Morgan

    LOL her description isn’t exactly accurate. I am a longtime Wiccan and I sure as hell don’t believe “I’m a goddess.” I WORSHIP The Goddess, but I am definitely NOT her. And I don’t know of ANY Wiccan who believes in or worships the gods of other faiths, so that lets “Satan” out completely. We worship pre-Christian deities, and many of us follow the faith and deities of our ancient ancestors, and many are goddesses. Myt ancestors were Celtic, NOT Middle Eastern, so I have never been interested in following any of the Middle Eastern patriarchal religions.

    • jcauldren

      Are there rules to being a Wiccan?
      Are they documented?

      • Morgan

        Thanks for asking. Wicca is a recognized religion, and as such, has its traditional elements, but they aren’t carved in stone, and there are many different traditions (aka, denominations) within it. If you would like to learn more, go to religioustolerance.org and read their section on it.

        • jcauldren

          It’s not that I want to learn more about Wicca.
          I just see a contradiction in your comments. You say you dislike the author’s comment about a Wiccan believing “Im a goddess” in one breath but just now you admit that there are no “rules’ to being Wiccan. So, by what authority can you say she isn’t exactly accurate? Maybe she is accurate for the Wicca she chooses to believe in.
          You even shared a link to “religious tolerance”. Do you have any tolerance for the author’s Wicca?
          Of course, the underlying issue I have with religious beliefs such as this is that they are so wishy-washy… anything you want, anything goes philosophy… no absolute truths to anchor a soul or a society across time.
          I suppose it’s a product of my conservative nature, but I find peace in absolute truths. Things that do not change over time, like an eternal God and simple commands like “thou shall not kill”, “thou shall not steal”, “confess” and “receive communion”.
          “Wiccan” gods have failed once already. I see no reason to not anticipate their dying off again. There is nothing they offer to stand the test of time and times that change.

          • Morgan

            Wiccan gods haven’t failed nearly as bad as the evil, genocidal, patriarchal war gods such as Yahweh. And truth appears to be subjective these days–just ask our pResident. Good luck with your gods and your rigid religion. I’ll stick with mine.

          • jcauldren

            Since you didn’t address the point I made about your contradictory views, I guess you do not deny that your faith is a contradiction.

            You believe Wicca is “whatever you want it to be” or at least that there is no Wiccan Authority… So, I would say good luck trying to define Wiccan and good luck trying to tell someone else they or their beliefs are not Wiccan.

    • Observer_wi

      The religion of the Celtic people with their priests, the druids, involved the a lot of human sacrifice. This is documented all over the place, famously by Julius Caesar who had a long campaign against the Celts of modern day France.

      I’ve seen history specials about specific bodies found of human sacrifice victims found by Celts. Check this:

      http://www.digitalmedievalist.com/opinionated-celtic-faqs/human-sacrifice/

      • Morgan

        Are you aware that the ancient Hebrews ALSO practiced child sacrifice? It’s right there in your bible in the story of Abraham. Read all about it.

        • jcauldren

          That is misleading… children that die as the result of a battle; children of the enemy you set out to destroy are not comparable to children that die at the hands of their own parents or their own society/nation.
          The killing of women and children in the Bible as directed by the God of Abraham is a difficult topic to discuss and to comprehend (as a Jew or Christian might understand it).
          But those deaths at the hand of God’s chosen people are not comparable to the sacrificing of ones own children.

          • Morgan

            That’s BS and you damn well know it. It’s time to stop this stupid obsession with a genocidal, homicidal Middle Eastern tribal war god and live fully in the 21st century.

          • jcauldren

            No, not B.S. I believe this 100%. There is theology, philosophy and common sense behind this belief (it’s not mine. I didn’t create it. It’s been around for a very long time and is prevalent in Judaism and Christianity).

            1 What do you know of the people that God ordered the Israelites to destroy? What do you know of their history? It might surprise you to learn of how degenerate this society was. Even the Catholic Church does not ban the death penalty. There can be cases where the right thing to do is to kill. Who better to know this than God.

            2 How old is the history of the Israelites? How many times has God commanded His chosen people to completely destroy an entire people? Destroying nations is not Israel’s forte. It’s not the definition of who they are.

            3. To the contrary, the history of the people that were destroyed have (from what archaeology can tell us) a terrible “forte”. Human sacrifice. Pits of fire filled with bones of all shapes and sizes… children. The ritual sacrifice of children.

            These two are not anywhere near comparable. The world wide community is far, far better off without the pagans who sacrifice children.

            And, regarding Abraham… continue reading… spoiler alert… The child isn’t sacrificed!!!! Because that would be wrong.

      • nhr215

        Not to worry, the Christians committed wholesale genocide in the name of Chris all over the world. They eliminated or enslaved practically the entire indigenous population of the Americas…. Amazing!

  • mtkeg

    Just one more reason to be skeptical of young college students and not take them seriously…

  • MONAD

    As long as it doesn’t affect me personally? You do you boo. I just can’t be bothered to care.

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  • xenonman

    It’s just another excuse to go around “skyclad”!

  • Rick Sullivan

    If The Lord of the Rings was Christian-themed, Frodo would have returned to the Shire, having found peace through forgiveness, and the lifting of his burden from a compassionate Christ-type hero. Instead, he carries his own burden of guilt and sadness and separation from the “good” people, until he is taken over the sea. And even then, we are not assured that he is truly forgiven and forgetful of his sins. This is very different from the Bible’s description of heaven as a place where every tear is wiped away (Revelation 7:17b). Redemption and the changed life it imparts is the essence of Christianity and, because of this, it cannot truly be said that The Lord of the Rings is a Christian-themed series.